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Sep 18 2016 09:02am
Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Sep 18 2016 10:52am)
I'm sorry, but that really is not a reach.

The point is that atheism as such does not typically drive people to extremes of hate, vigilance, intolerance, etc. ISIS is indeed purely based on a strive for power -- not of a desire to spread Islam -- but their weapon is Islam. If it weren't for religion, they would be unable to indoctrinate people, they wouldn't be able to make people want to fight for something and die for something, etc.


But none of the stats support this. Religiosity does not correlate with violence or peacefulness.
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you have no source about your own quotes and keep crying about sources

also,
"Four out of the ten countries with the highest levels of
atheism are less peaceful than the global average."

:rofl: so much reverent and not bias


Please read more carefully before posting. I posted the source in my first post.

http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Peace-and-Religion-Report.pdf

And it's from the same source as the map you posted.

All of the quotes are from that same source, the one you posted in the first place.

But apparently statistics are biased now.
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Please read more carefully before posting. I posted the source in my first post.

http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Peace-and-Religion-Report.pdf

And it's from the same source as the map you posted.

All of the quotes are from that same source, the one you posted in the first place.

But apparently statistics are biased now.



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We can start at the international level. The most secular societies today include Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Czech Republic, Estonia, Japan, Britain, France, the Netherlands, Germany, South Korea, New Zealand, Australia, Vietnam, Hungary, China and Belgium. The most religious societies include Nigeria, Uganda, the Philippines, Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, El Salvador, Colombia, Senegal, Malawi, Indonesia, Brazil, Peru, Jordan, Algeria, Ghana, Venezuela, Mexico and Sierra Leone.

It is the highly secularized countries that tend to fare the best in terms of crime rates, prosperity, equality, freedom, democracy, women's rights, human rights, educational attainment and life expectancy. (Although there are exceptions, such as Vietnam and China, which have famously poor human rights records.) And those nations with the highest rates of religiosity tend to be the most problem-ridden in terms of high violent crime rates, high infant mortality rates, high poverty rates and high rates of corruption.

Take homicide. According to the United Nations' 2011 Global Study on Homicide, of the 10 nations with the highest homicide rates, all are very religious, and many — such as Colombia, Mexico, El Salvador and Brazil — are among the most theistic nations in the world. Of the nations with the lowest homicide rates, nearly all are very secular, with seven ranking among the least theistic nations, such as Sweden, Japan, Norway and the Netherlands.

Now consider the flip side: peacefulness. According to the nonprofit organization Vision of Humanity, which publishes an annual Global Peace Index, each of the 10 safest and most peaceful nations in the world is also among the most secular, least God-believing in the world. Most of the least safe and peaceful nations, conversely, are extremely religious.



just wake up dude

wait, you probably know this, you just arguing for the fun of if cause depressed or something i guess

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just wake up dude

wait, you probably know this, you just arguing for the fun of if cause depressed or something i guess


OK I see that you just have such a personal distaste for religion that youll ignore facts so you can continue attacking it. Thanks.

P.S. That nonprofit organization you're referencing again, Visions of Humanity, for the twentieth time, is where all the quotes i posted came from.

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also >names only the specifically Christian philosophers of religion, ignores the fact that the vast majority of modern analytic philosophy is atheistic

Analytic philosophy proven to be inferiour

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OK I see that you just have such a personal distaste for religion that youll ignore facts so you can continue attacking it. Thanks.

P.S. That nonprofit organization you're referencing again, Visions of Humanity, for the twentieth time, is where all the quotes i posted came from.



no, i looked for another source
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1101-zuckerman-violence-secularism-20151101-story.html

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Analytic philosophy proven to be inferiour


Analytic philosophy, also known as real philosophy B)

Pretty sure most continental philosophy is atheistic as well though, postmodernism etc. But I hate relativism.


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... Read the article. It references Visions of Humanity as the source for their claims. The organization that stated there is no correlation between religiosity and peacefulness or the lack thereof. It's called sensationalist media.

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Analytic philosophy, also known as real philosophy B)

Pretty sure most continental philosophy is atheistic as well though, postmodernism etc. But I hate relativism.




... Read the article. It references Visions of Humanity as the source for their claims. The organization that stated there is no correlation between religiosity and peacefulness or the lack thereof. It's called sensationalist media.



what are you referring to exactly, that you call sensationalist media ?
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what are you referring to exactly, that you call sensationalist media ?


The LA Times article you linked, which makes claims that directly contradict their sources.

Much like your posts in this thread. :P
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Sep 18 2016 11:48am
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The LA Times article you linked, which makes claims that directly contradict their sources.

Much like your posts in this thread. :P


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