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May 10 2016 11:54am
Quote (Gastly @ May 10 2016 06:45pm)
True. I've never met a nihilist.


I'm a moral nihilist
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May 10 2016 12:01pm
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I'm a moral nihilist

Then stop making value judgments.

For what reason?
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May 10 2016 12:07pm
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Then stop making value judgments.

For what reason?


I think it's the natural progression from being an atheist. If you don't believe in God, then you're accepting there is no inherent morality in the world. There is no right or wrong, just values passed on over generations that have helped us survive.

Without law and order, we wouldn't survive and progress anywhere near as well. It wasn't ok to murder people thousands of years ago because it causes conflict and anarchy, laws bring people in line. There is an evolutionary component to morality.

By the way, I'm not advocating anarchy or that it's ok to murder people. I wouldn't murder someone for no reason, I expect that in turn. Laws protect us and I'm glad they are there. I just don't think that law and morality are essentially right or wrong.
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May 10 2016 12:14pm
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I think it's the natural progression from being an atheist. If you don't believe in God, then you're accepting there is no inherent morality in the world.

I don't see what the truth-values of moral statements have to do with one's belief in God any more than one's belief in one's own senses have to do with one's belief in God.
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It wasn't ok to murder people thousands of years ago because it causes conflict and anarchy.

So something was wrong because of what it causes? That's not nihilism.
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By the way, I'm not advocating anarchy or that it's ok to murder people. I wouldn't murder someone for no reason, I expect that in turn. Laws protect us and I'm glad they are there. I just don't think that law and morality are essentially right or wrong.

So what you're saying is that people shouldn't believe what you believe is true and that you act as if it were true. As I said, I've never met a nihilist.
Regardless, constructivists are realists too. see: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/constructivism-metaethics/
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May 10 2016 12:17pm
Quote (Gastly @ May 10 2016 07:14pm)
I don't see what the truth-values of moral statements have to do with one's belief in God any more than one's belief in one's own senses have to do with one's belief in God.

So something was wrong because of what it causes? That's not nihilism.

So what you're saying is that people shouldn't believe what you believe is true and that you act as if it were true. As I said, I've never met a nihilist.
Regardless, constructivists are realists too. see: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/constructivism-metaethics/


It was never right or wrong, morality was/is just a necessary construct to get by.

Call it nihilism, constructivism, whatever you like. But I don't really believe in intrinsic morality and to me that means I'm a nihilist.

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It was never right or wrong

That's an assertion, not an argument.
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May 10 2016 12:21pm
Quote (Gastly @ May 10 2016 07:18pm)
That's an assertion, not an argument.


It's my opinion
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May 10 2016 12:24pm
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It's my opinion

Usually people justify their opinions.
and it doesn't seem to be because you act as if it weren't true.
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May 10 2016 12:29pm
wtf mispost. weird.

This post was edited by Mangix on May 10 2016 12:29pm
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May 10 2016 12:32pm
Quote (Gastly @ May 10 2016 07:24pm)
Usually people justify their opinions.
and it doesn't seem to be because you act as if it weren't true.


I don't need to justify my opinion any more than I already have, it doesn't matter to me if you're a nihilist or not, it's just my personal world view.

I don't live my life by engaging my moral nihilism because I accept there are advantages to law, order and an accepted view of what is right and wrong. That isn't the same as acting as if it weren't true...it's pretty basic and shouldn't be this difficult to get your head around surely?
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