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Apr 27 2012 07:19am
Quote (GodlessDeity @ Apr 23 2012 09:56pm)
How about that airline food, huh?

What is it with mankind sacrificing everything for an empty goal? How does anyone pursue something that only holds as much value as you put into it? Even if your life is at stake, of course. It is like, people want more, they ''need'' more than what they already have. And they only throw away what they have for the ironic position of being more than what they thought otherwise.

People continue to say that this world is fine the way it is, but the way mankind contradicts itself, I'm not entirely sure about that...


You sound like you're arguing with atheism. After all, what atheism is is simply saying "Nothing that we do matters because sometime before the next decade we're all going to be dead, and in the next decade our children will be dead, until existence itself will come to an end and everything we've ever done will have been dumped into this 'empty goal'."
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Quote (Murphy16 @ Apr 27 2012 07:19am)
You sound like you're arguing with atheism.  After all, what atheism is is simply saying "Nothing that we do matters because sometime before the next decade we're all going to be dead, and in the next decade our children will be dead, until existence itself will come to an end and everything we've ever done will have been dumped into this 'empty goal'."


MAN is aware that he will die, someday. Other animals, when nearing death, know
they are about to die; but it is not until death is certain that the animal senses his
coming departure from this world. And even then he does not know exactly what is
entailed in dying. It is often pointed out that animals accept death gracefully, without
fear or resistance. This is a beautiful concept, but one that only holds true in cases
where death for the animal is unavoidable.
When an animal is sick or injured he will fight for his life with every ounce of strength
he has left. It is this unshakable will to live that, if man were not so "highly evolved", would
also give him the fighting spirit he needs to stay alive.
It is a well known fact that many people die simply because they give up and just don't care
anymore. This is understandable if the person is very ill, with no apparent chance for
recovery. But this often is not the case. Man has become lazy. He has learned to take the easy
way out. Even suicide has become less repugnant to many people than any number of other
sins. Religion is totally to blame for this.
Death, in most religions, is touted as a great spiritual awakening - one which is prepared for
throughout life. This concept is very appealing to one who has not had a satisfactory life; but
to those who have experienced all the joys life has to offer, there is a great dread attached to
dying. This is as it should be. It is this lust for life which will allow the vital person to live on
after the inevitable death of his fleshly shell.
History shows that men who have given their own lives in pursuit of an ideal have been
deified for their martyrdom. Religionists and political leaders have been very crafty in laying
their plans. By holding the martyr up as a shining example to his fellow men, they eliminate
the common sense reaction that willful self-destruction goes against all animal logic. To the
Satanist, martyrdom and non-personalized heroism is to be associated not with integrity, but
with stupidity. This, of course, does not apply to the situations which involve the safety of a
loved one. But to give one's own life for something as impersonal as a political or religious
issue is the ultimate in masochism.
Life is the one great indulgence; death the one great abstinence. To a person who is satisfied
with his earthly existence, life is like a party; and no one likes to leave a good party. By the
same token, if a person is enjoying himself here on earth he will not so readily give up this
life for the promise of an afterlife about which he knows nothing.
The Eastern mystical beliefs teach humans to discipline themselves against any conscious will
for success so they might dissolve themselves into "Universal Cosmic Awareness" - anything
to avoid good healthy self-satisfaction or honest pride in earthly accomplishments!
It is interesting to note that the areas in which this type of belief flourishes are those where
material gains are not easily obtainable. For this reason the predominant religious belief must
be one which commends its followers for their rejection of material things and their avoidance
of the use of labels which attaches a certain amount of importance to material gains. In this
way the people can be pacified into accepting their lot, no matter how small it may be.
Satanism uses many labels. If it were not for names, very few of us would understand
anything in life, much less attach any significance to it; - and significance compels
recognition, which is something everyone wants, especially the Eastern mystic who tries to
prove to everyone he can meditate longer or stand more deprivation and pain than the next
fellow.
The Eastern philosophies preach the dissolution of man's ego before he can produce sins. It is
unfathomable to the Satanist to conceive of an ego which would willfully choose denial of
itself.
In countries where this is used as a sop for the willingly impoverished, it is understandable
that a philosophy which teaches the denial of the ego would serve a useful purpose - at least
for those in power, to whom it would be detrimental if their people were discontented. But for
anyone who has every opportunity for material gain, to choose this form of religious thought
seems foolish, indeed!
The Eastern mystic believes strongly in reincarnation. To a person who has virtually nothing
in this life, the possibility that he may have been a king in a past life or may be one in the next
life is very attractive, and does much to appease his need for self-respect. If there is nothing in
which they can take pride in this life, they can console themselves by thinking, "there are
always future lives." It never occurs to the believer in reincarnation that if his father,
grandfather, and great-grandfather, etc. had developed "good karmas", by their adherence to
the same beliefs and ethics as his present ones - then why is he now living in privation, rather
than like a maharajah?
Belief in reincarnation provides a beautiful fantasy world in which a person can find the
proper avenue of ego-expression, but at the same time claim to have dissolved his ego. This is
emphasized by the roles people choose for themselves in their past or future lives.
Believers in reincarnation do not always choose an honorable character. If the person is of a
highly respectable and conservative nature, he will often choose a colorful rogue or gangster,
thereby fulfilling his alter-ego. Or, a woman who has much social status may pick a harlot or
famous courtesan for the characterization of herself in a past life.
If people were able to divorce themselves from the stigma attached to personal egofulfillment,
they would not need to play self-deceitful games such as belief in reincarnation as
a means of satisfying their natural need for ego-fulfillment.
The Satanist believes in complete gratification of his ego. Satanism, in fact, is the only
religion which advocates the intensification or encouragement of the ego. Only if a person's
own ego is sufficiently fulfilled, can he afford to be kind and complimentary to others,
without robbing himself of his self-respect. We generally think of a braggart as a person with
a large ego; in reality, his bragging results from a need to satisfy his impoverished ego.
Religionists have kept their followers in line by suppressing their egos. By making their
followers feel inferior, the awesomeness of their god is insured. Satanism encourages its
members to develop a good strong ego because it gives them the self-respect necessary for a
vital existence in this life.
If a person has been vital throughout his life and has fought to the end for his earthly
existence, it is this ego which will refuse to die, even after the expiration of the flesh which
housed it. Young children are to be admired for their driving enthusiasm for life. This is
exemplified by the small child who refuses to go to bed when there is something exciting
going on, and when once put to bed, will sneak down the stairs to peek through the curtain
and watch. It is this child-like vitality that will allow the Satanist to peek through the curtain
of darkness and death and remain earthbound.
Self-sacrifice is not encouraged by the Satanic religion. Therefore, unless death comes as an
indulgence because of extreme circumstances which make the termination of life a welcome
relief from the unendurable earthly existence, suicide is frowned upon by the Satanic religion.
Religious martyrs have taken their own lives, not because life was intolerable for them, but to
use their supreme sacrifice as a tool to further the religious belief. We must assume, then, that
suicide, if done for the sake of the church, is condoned and even encouraged - even though
their scriptures label it a sin - because religious martyrs of the past have always been deified.
It is rather curious that the only time suicide is considered sinful by other religions is when it
comes as an indulgence.
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Apr 27 2012 07:36am
I'm not advocating suicide, I'm hoping to get some atheists to realize what exactly the implications are of their beliefs. I have no problem with atheists, just understand that your morality is subjective, so you aren't even qualified to make a claim about what is right and what is wrong, because that requires some sort of standard which atheists do not have, by definition.
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Apr 27 2012 07:37am
Quote (Murphy16 @ Apr 27 2012 07:36am)
I'm not advocating suicide, I'm hoping to get some atheists to realize what exactly the implications are of their beliefs.  I have no problem with atheists, just understand that your morality is subjective, so you aren't even qualified to make a claim about what is right and what is wrong, because that requires some sort of standard which atheists do not have, by definition.


And by that logic you have no say in morality, either.
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Apr 27 2012 03:35pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Apr 27 2012 08:37am)
And by that logic you have no say in morality, either.


I didn't create my own set of morals, though. Nor did any other human.
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Apr 27 2012 04:51pm
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Apr 27 2012 04:52pm
Quote (Wyrmvater @ Apr 27 2012 05:51pm)
and i was liek, duuuuuuuur


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Apr 27 2012 04:53pm
Quote (Murphy16 @ Apr 27 2012 09:36am)
I'm not advocating suicide, I'm hoping to get some atheists to realize what exactly the implications are of their beliefs.  I have no problem with atheists, just understand that your morality is subjective, so you aren't even qualified to make a claim about what is right and what is wrong, because that requires some sort of standard which atheists do not have, by definition.


Tell that to J.S. Mill, to Bentham, to Kant, and to Singer.
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Apr 27 2012 04:59pm
obama socialist

This post was edited by Wyrmvater on Apr 27 2012 05:01pm
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Apr 27 2012 05:13pm
Quote (Murphy16 @ Apr 27 2012 08:36am)
I'm not advocating suicide, I'm hoping to get some atheists to realize what exactly the implications are of their beliefs.  I have no problem with atheists, just understand that your morality is subjective, so you aren't even qualified to make a claim about what is right and what is wrong, because that requires some sort of standard which atheists do not have, by definition.


Lol you never go full blown man.....
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