This is a horrible argument. First things first: science (how it's conceived of today) and religion have never been intertwined. Science by definition requires testable hypotheses and predictions. Many of the fields of science that we have today, however, have branched off from philosophy (of which religious views are a part) precisely because they became a science (i.e. had testable/falsifiable hypotheses). The word "science" may have been used when it was intertwined with philosophy, but its meaning was entirely different.

In any case, I think it's much more disrespectful to teach a theory that is clearly wrong (i.e.young earth creationism) because you're afraid of being disrespectful. It's a disservice and a downright tragedy to misinform generations of young people when we clearly know the facts.

This post was edited by Nihlathak on Apr 11 2012 04:36pm

Whether you know it or not, you're spouting the the fundamentalist line. You simply don't have to be an atheist to think religion should stay out of science. Religion is simply not equipped to enter a discussion about proving a theory with evidence. If you believe you can't discuss science without trying to accommodate everyone's religion, you aren't doing either science or religion any favors.

take a good hard look around at the beauty in the forest and the clouds and the mountains and the ocean. then after doing that tell me there is no god.


of course there is a "god" it is all around us. god is everything you, me, those birds chirping away outside, the tree swaying in the breeze, the planets rotating around the sun. the evidence is all around you but you are just not looking or listening due to your own anti-god bias.

everything happens for a reason. more and more we find ways to prove why things happen in a scientific method. evolution is not random it is a trait all life forms have in common. obviously some force had to create everything a certain way so life can evolve. it is not just some freak accident.



This post was edited by BarnabyJones on Apr 11 2012 04:40pm

Evidence that any of this was actually created by God and not, say, the Wizard of Oz? The only conviction you can have is faith. I'm not arguing that faith is good, bad, or indifferent--just that it's not science.

yes, imagination adds to list of proof of God actually. Its not something I argue for when I talk to an atheist, but in my eyes like the other guy said... if i look out the window a single blade of grass is enough evidence for me to know theres a God.

not everything is about science dude. somethings cannot be explained by science.

it is spring time now i live in new york. the other day i was working out in my shed and i stepped out to soak in some sun. i look at the ground there is a forest of shamrocks. just an absolutely glorious forest of shamrocks. i couldn't even make sense of the whole patch of shamrocks. i can focus on one point at a time but i can't see the whole thing it is just to much. there is to much beauty for my whole eye to absorb i can only soak a little bit by scanning over the patch.

my point is this. science is great but to say there is no "god"/wizard of oz is silly. science proves many things can is a great tool to getting a better understanding of all the beauty out there in the world. there is also an extent to that knowledge goes the rest is really up to faith. faith in humanity to use the science correctly, faith in the universe/god/wizard of oz to give us the right signals and show us the way.

i think when some people say god gives them messages it is god. i think we are all one and we are all god and we are all observing life subjectively. i think the universe is just a form of expression for "god".