And we have done that. Iraq has a democracy with elections and we've trained their army. Time to pull out and let them take it from there. Can't bail out their country indefinitely.

your two face makes me sick you old fag

American military leaders agree we need a semi-permanent force of at least 15,000 for the forseeable future to ensure stability until they are able to defend themselves from themselves .

So then the concept of personal responsibility is only valid when you agree with the policy to which it is being applied? There simply has to be a point where you cut it off and say "Enough is enough." That's as true with these military missions as it is with social programs. I think with people on welfare, they should lose it if they're not working, and of course have their pay deducted from the amount that welfare would give them. It should not be a blanket "Here, have money indefinitely" sort of thing.

I think if the Iraqi government wants us there (which they evidently do not), they should have to pay our costs of being there. And there is nothing they can do to pay the human cost of our fallen troops.

This post was edited by bentherdonethat on Oct 21 2011 04:43pm

That point has not arrived in either Iraq or Afghanistan .

I have no idea why you keep posting assumptions of what positions I hold on social programs especially since this topic is about withdrawing from Iraq though I am quite shocked about your callous attitude toward the less fortunate , but that's for another topic .

thx for reporting me why you did that truth hit you ?

Looking forward to someone's death is in no way proper debate etiquette. You deserve a lot more than a 15 minute suspension or whatever else you got. Quit trolling.

Kicked. That's what you call the wholesale murder of a million civilians? I guess that's kind of like saying the Jews got kicked because they were rooting for the allies.

Fucking moron.

Are the contractors leaving?