it should be obvious on what and what you should use if anyone that actually takes zvz serious like correct ias and correct dr

wasnt gm zvz limited to amount of element dmg (like gm melee) you can use

i could of sworn that fire dmg from faith was over cap

or was that a different realm?

in any case it covers many basics

Double Upped Swordback Hold, really only thing I liked from this guide.
Only because none of it is new to me.
But overall a good reference to look at for ZvZ setups.

Very Nice Stephen, Very Nice.

Using the same setup on my eu nl bowa and i must say it rox zvz ^^
Anyway its nice that you wrote it down for all those players who think that c/c build is the best zvz build
Good work you've done there

Peace!

e: I must admit that in europe we got bugbelt , every bowa's dream belt , but a perm one is like 10-15k fg lol , so i admit this setup is the best effective/priceless one =)

This post was edited by Sreial_ganja on Aug 9 2011 08:23pm

very nice guide.

One thing to consider is:

gaze + 16060 setup = 100 life + 33 dr + leech animation (which is important unless you have it on your rings)

shaft + 12045 setup = 60 life + 30 dr + 30 frw (=120 life). So thats 80 life vs 3 dr. I don't think we can nail in the fact that the gaze setup is superior. Obviously, I'm a fan of shaft but 08 gaze has over and over been proven to be a successful build..

Also... Are you sure that the c/t glitch still works (or ever worked?)

gay rules

c/t definitely works

Very nice guide Arelax, the only thing I would have done differently is I am a believer in making this as short & sweet as possible

Gaze + 160-60-100life= 100life+ 33DR + leech animation
Shaft + 120-45-30frw = 30dr + 60life + 5frw(shaft causes -25frw, see above chart) = 30dr + 60life +(20 or 40life) depending on whether you have 3frw or 5frw sc. for our argument lets say u have 3frw sc

160-60 vs. shaft = 3dr + leech animation vs 0(well shaft setup might bring a little more def, like 200ish if eth bugged)

but you can get leech animation from ring + gloves, so overall shaft is almost equal to 160-60 + gaze.







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ty bro, i kept it as short as possible. i wanted to include almost all the options so ppl can decide what they want to do, rather than just 1 list of gear that i recommend, so there was really no choice but for it to be monstrous

Your health is showing in 2nd s/s