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Nov 2 2010 01:08pm
u use
eni mp lets say 1 k def
nw 350 def
eth sands 250 def
double upped mages 98 def max
arach 120 def
even spirit has about 140

total of about 2 k def

why u dont use an armor of the cold tree, i guess +140% def

so about 5 k def possible with 2 points "wasted"

have u ever found out that it doesnt matter if u have 17 k fireball or 15 k (well even 5 k is enough for cold imunes with infinity merc)
monsters still fall the same


do u have cbf?


merc

ever thought of a difiance merc? (if this is the one who raises defense)
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Quote (muhtrader @ Nov 2 2010 08:08pm)
u use
eni mp lets say 1 k def
nw 350 def
eth sands 250 def
double upped mages 98 def max
arach 120 def
even spirit has about 140

total of about 2 k def

why u dont use an armor of the cold tree, i guess +140% def

so about 5 k def possible with 2 points "wasted"

have u ever found out that it doesnt matter if u have 17 k fireball or 15 k (well even 5 k is enough for cold imunes with infinity merc)
monsters still fall the same


do u have cbf?


merc

ever thought of a difiance merc? (if this is the one who raises defense)


Thx for the input !

You can "waste" 2 pts for 1 hard into Shiver armor.
Personnaly, I have a +5shiver orb that I seldom use for precast.
From experience, I nearly never been hitten, because fast kills from distance.
With such hybrid, you would clean areas instead of blind tele just to mf at some Bosses.
Well that's the way I play. And I dont think it's a waste of time : some seconds more to clean all, and more drops in the end.

If you would only tele to bosses, then lowering your fb to get shiver armor would be a good choice.
But you should also consider other builds if doing that.

For the same reason, I dont have CbF. If you love it, then Cham your NW.

And again for the same reason, I dont have defiance merc.
I've already tried him (I've tried all act2 merc).
Your defense boost is pretty useless to you, and for his surviviability, you would prefer might (better damages= better leech), or Holy freeze (slower monsters = less hit taken).

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... (well even 5 k is enough for cold imunes with infinity merc)
monsters still fall the same


It will sound naive, but with 5K fb, monsters will fall 3 times slower than with 15K...
Seriously in solo hell games, 5K is not a problem.
But when facing some huge boss in 8 players, 17K is not a waste.
And infinity will not drop res to -100%, many hell monsters have 50+% base fire res...

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Thx for the input !


I am quite interested in such Dual sorc FO/FB. I made one myself.


-For the same reason, I dont have CbF. If you love it, then Cham your NW.

I use raven but yes a chammed NW nice too.


-Your defense boost is pretty useless to you, and for his surviviability, you would prefer might (better damages= better leech), or Holy freeze (slower monsters = less hit taken).

You get about 10 k defense (defiance merc and cast armor). I would not call it useless. Maybe its not needed.

At merc I found out that he survives melee fine (I was astounded myself). He doesnt get hit (about 22 k defense with eth bug forty).
At baal - if too many hydras are left - I have to tele him away from danger.
If u dont get hit, u dont lose life. If you have to leech, because you lost life, you need to hit.
This brings me to another "wasted" point: 1 enchant for merc hitting better (AR). Your setup is with fire skillers only and 2 fire facets. So enchant damage boosted too.
Dual sorc kills all but dual imunes. With static forty is enough for damage. Holy freeze I think has not its full potential, because u already use cold damage.
A lightning or fireball sorc, for example, I would never create without a holy freezer. On Hammerdins I like freezer.

-It will sound naive, but with 5K fb, monsters will fall 3 times slower than with 15K...
-Seriously in solo hell games, 5K is not a problem.
-But when facing some huge boss in 8 players, 17K is not a waste.
-And infinity will not drop res to -100%, many hell monsters have 50+% base fire res...


I have a question about this
Do you play Dual sorc with 2 equivalent elements? Or Do you have a main attack and a second skill for imunes?
Maybe just 2 playing styles.
I fire my main attack, the FO. Any blue left, another FO. Everyone who is still standing and not blue gets my second attack the FB (If merc wasnt faster).
If after this someone survives I tele up to him, use static and merc uses the knife to belly method (these dual imunes are quite seldom).

I like this discussion and have already learned something.

Thx.
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Quote (muhtrader @ Nov 3 2010 07:25pm)
I have a question about this
Do you play Dual sorc with 2 equivalent elements? Or Do you have a main attack and a second skill for imunes?
Maybe just 2 playing styles.
I fire my main attack, the FO. Any blue left, another FO. Everyone who is still standing and not blue gets my second attack the FB (If merc wasnt faster).
If after this someone survives I tele up to him, use static and merc uses the knife to belly method (these dual imunes are quite seldom).

I like this discussion and have already learned something.

Thx.


I have no main attack.
Vs cold immune : FB only / vs fire immunes (non broken) : FO only -- obviously ;)

But most of the time, I use fb and FO at the same time !

Optimum damages per second : FO-fb-fb-FO-fb-fb-FO ...
But this requires a perfect timing to lose no frame.

So I usually cast : FO-fb-fb-fb-FO-fb-fb-fb-FO ... much more easy.

Thx again for reading this guide, good luck with your block/def hybrid !
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Nov 30 2010 01:37pm
have u ever tested this in pvp?
dmg seems pretty solid, might do ok :)

This post was edited by CrimsonOdin on Nov 30 2010 01:37pm
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have u ever tested this in pvp?
dmg seems pretty solid, might do ok :)


Only few tests in pvp, and only in pubs.
-> no es
-> no block
-> no 200fcr to remain unhit
-> no 200% pierce cold (without merc) to boost damages

She suffers some lack, but still, I remember having fun also in pvp.

For pvp, I would probably try to reach 200fcr and sacrifice some fire synergies to put into Cold mastery.

Worth a try !

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