Question:

Did I #$*@ up my hybrid sin when I added 15 to claw master, and 4 to dual claw block?

no, not necessarily. You'll just have less skills to add to synergies thus lower trap damage

why you people don't comment on my guide?

i personally recommend 1 point in dt for hybridsins.

so my hybrid is a mix of speederländer's ww/kick/stun and a ls trapsin. means i can use lvl15 DT against sorcs/ele druids/necros in certain situations. and as you should know, this can sometimes be of advance.
i got 7/3 kickspeed.

maybe you want to put that into your guide.

Hmmm... because this is what I did (I think may have screwed up horribly):

- 1 point to venom
- lots to claw mastery
- 4 or 5 to dual claw block
- 5 or 6 to fade
- rest to traps

My hybrid still duels well, but wouldn't it have more potential if I rebuilt it, put 20 into venom, 1 into fade, 1 or 2 into dual claw block, and rest into traps?

you definitly need max venom mate.

imo leave wb and fade @ baselvl.

Darn, wasted so much time. Gotta rebuild the char, >_<

My ghostsin is near completed but my boots(wraith bands 8-16 kick dmg) are pathetic for kicking i was thinking of upgrading into mirrored(50-145 kick damage) but thats 163str making the +18str pointless and I have to spent about 20points just to use the boots while atm I have base str atm using my full gear. I could go with imp shanks and upgrade them to boneweave boots bit less kick dmg(69-118) but only 118str requirement so i can stay at base str. Any ideas?

edit: also the ww/kick ias confused me (i hate maths)
ok for main setup i got a
chaos feral claw
fools greater talon - no ias
08valk - 30ias

what breakpoints for kick/ww do i reach? is feral good enuff or do i need a runic chaos. thx again!! great guide


This post was edited by shavedwookie on Sep 20 2006 04:07am

i dont know the us dupes so i cant tell you, but actaully your physical kick damage is not that important. at least for me, the phy dmg is only a nice add. the real damage is done by venom/ow.


with feral and gt you need 52 ias without bos to get a 9fps trap laying speed. i dont know your setup but i dont think you reach this without ias on your fools claw.
if you get a runic or gt chaos, you will reach this with only ur 08valk + a 15ias/@ jewel in it. (42ias is bp for 2*-30wsm weapons).

for a 7frame initial kick you need 56ias, means you wont hit this neither without ias on your fools.


i dont know what breakpoints you are hitting atm, just calculate it, i dont have the time for it now and i dont know it now like those other bps.

I don't have any idea of the duped boots but if you want good kick damage, I suggest shadow dancers. Base str/dex builds are not as good as possible because they usually lack the versatility. Anyway, like skully mentioned, the physical damage in kicks isn't that important since venom and ow do the damage. (It doesn't show on screen though)

Basically, any boots are pretty good.

With that setup you will reach 9 frame trap laying (chaos as primary claw) or 10 frame trap laying (fools as primary, remember, kicks only take mods from primary claw) and 4 fpa ww.

As for kicks, well.

0-20 + ((120*65)/(120+65))
= -20 + (7800 / 185)
= -20 + 42
= 22 EIAS

so you would hit 10 frames initial kick and 4 frames follow-up kick with chaos as primary.

with fools as primary:
0-30+((120*30)/(120+30))
= -30 + (3600 / 150)
= -30 + 24
= -6 EIAS

you would hit 13 frames initial kick and 5 frames follow-up kicks

Using 15 ias jewel in 08 valk and chaos as primary:

0-20+((120*80)/(120+80))
= -20 + (9600 / 200)
= -20 + 48
= 28 EIAS

so there would be _no_ difference to chaos as primary but no ias jewel.

Using bos it's entirely different thing lol, but I doubt you will use bos.