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Jul 2 2010 12:06pm
Quote (Balla @ Jul 2 2010 11:23am)
best way to just straight build mass? assuming you're eating enough
just all sets to failure? none? etc..i've just been wondering on your opinion on that


pure mass? or mass/strength blend?

the idea behind pure mass is simple...you need to keep tearing the muscle fibers apart as much as possible and forcing their recovery faster and stronger than usual.

the only way to do this is PURE total exhaustion and failure at the gym...in conjunction with aggressive branch chain support, glutamine support, huge surplus nutrition, and 10-12 hrs of sleep a day. (with 1-2gal / water per day as well)

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Jul 2 2010 12:31pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Jul 2 2010 01:06pm)
pure mass? or mass/strength blend?

the idea behind pure mass is simple...you need to keep tearing the muscle fibers apart as much as possible and forcing their recovery faster and stronger than usual.

the only way to do this is PURE total exhaustion and failure at the gym...in conjunction with aggressive branch chain support, glutamine support, huge surplus nutrition, and 10-12 hrs of sleep a day. (with 1-2gal / water per day as well)


pretty much pure mass
so you're saying take most all sets to failure and even then drop set for more failure etc? im talking more about the training right now, i know to eat a ton and the sleep etc
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Jul 3 2010 12:25pm
Quote (Kiston @ Jul 1 2010 07:33pm)
are u saying cardio before and after my workouts?


i dont understand 2k calories for working out 6 days a week with hiit before and after weightlifting...

isnt that asking for catabolism?
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Jul 3 2010 02:24pm
Quote (Balla @ Jul 2 2010 02:31pm)
pretty much pure mass
so you're saying take most all sets to failure and even then drop set for more failure etc? im talking more about the training right now, i know to eat a ton and the sleep etc


yes. that is how to do it.

the more failures, drop sets, and forced reps you do...the more you tear the muscle fibers which ultimately leads to the maximum muscle size and volume (but not necessarily density)
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Jul 3 2010 02:25pm
Quote (Kiston @ Jul 3 2010 02:25pm)
i dont understand 2k calories for working out 6 days a week with hiit before and after weightlifting...

isnt that asking for catabolism?


negative. You are getting enough BCAA's, protein, and fats to prevent atrophe and catabolism.

You requested a proper CUT and this is how to do it. There is no such thing as a cut which would result in muscle gain...this cut simply PREVENTS/MINIMIZES as much muscle-wasting as possible.
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Jul 3 2010 05:48pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Jul 3 2010 08:25pm)
negative. You are getting enough BCAA's, protein, and fats to prevent atrophe and catabolism.

You requested a proper CUT and this is how to do it. There is no such thing as a cut which would result in muscle gain...this cut simply PREVENTS/MINIMIZES as much muscle-wasting as possible.


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Jul 3 2010 10:59pm
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Jul 3 2010 03:24pm)
yes. that is how to do it.

the more failures, drop sets, and forced reps you do...the more you tear the muscle fibers which ultimately leads to the maximum muscle size and volume (but not necessarily density)


alright.how much volume would you say to do per workout doing all those sets to failure? let's say you're hitting each body part once a week on a 5 day split
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Jul 4 2010 12:49am
Quote (Balla @ Jul 4 2010 12:59am)
alright.how much volume would you say to do per workout doing all those sets to failure? let's say you're hitting each body part once a week on a 5 day split


here's a sample routine for day 1:


Chest


Bench Press 5 sets breakdown/failure w. forced reps and cheating reps until failure

Incline Bench Press - same as above

Decline bench Press - same as above

Dumbbell flies - 5 sets pyramiding up, then 2 sets breaking down

cable flies 21's - 6 sets (3 to the middle, 3 from the bottom) all pyramiding up


At the very end of this routine, do one solid set of pushups until total chest failure



For the other muscle groups, do the same style

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Jul 4 2010 11:58am
Quote (SKCRaynor @ Jul 4 2010 01:49am)
here's a sample routine for day 1:


Chest


Bench Press 5 sets breakdown/failure w. forced reps and cheating reps until failure

Incline Bench Press - same as above

Decline bench Press - same as above

Dumbbell flies - 5 sets pyramiding up, then 2 sets breaking down

cable flies 21's - 6 sets  (3 to the middle, 3 from the bottom) all pyramiding up


At the very end of this routine, do one solid set of pushups until total chest failure



For the other muscle groups, do the same style


damn that's alot lol
anyways would you say dips are > decline bench though?
also what about the amount of reps per set? the 8-12 range?
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Jul 4 2010 01:43pm
Quote (Balla @ 4 Jul 2010 12:58)
damn that's alot lol
anyways would you say dips are > decline bench though?
also what about the amount of reps per set? the 8-12 range?


Pullovers and Dips > decline bench, yes.
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