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Quote (Midwest_J @ Sat, Dec 1 2007, 11:28pm)
CB, I checked and with the gear you lose 1 attack breakpoint, from 2.7 attacks per second to 2.5 attacks per second. I dunno I am interested in making a cs zerker barb but I love the classic Ebotd CB, rather than grief but I have never made one so I can't say first hand how it is.

Quote (Midwest_J @ Sat, Dec 1 2007, 06:14pm)
Has anyone ever tried this build with an ebotdz CB?


EBOTDZ is strong and faster than an EBOTD CB one handed.
A EBOTDZ can actually hit the last attack speed breakpoint, but by wasting/dwindling gear options to use on your zerk barb.
Also, neither of them do as much damage as a grief phase blade. The 400 damage off grief alone is greater. Just read back a little and you would of found this:



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Quote (Ashcroft @ Tue, Nov 20 2007, 07:35pm)
Can someone clearly explain explain why grief pb is better than a ebotdz?

There may be hidden damage on greif.... but seriosuly... 5k hidden damage?
im not sure if ias bps are similar... but 60ias on ebotdz..... 30+ all Attributes


No way! I totally have to agree with you on this one. Grief doesn't add 5k hidden. Its more like 10k. ohmy.gif

You see that ~900 damage you said you do with the grief on the little screen a few posts back? That is without the +400 off of grief.
So if 35 off of just the phase blade = 900, then 400 = just shy of 10.3k!. smile.gif

Hurray proportions! banana.gif

Also, grief adds ~130% damage to demons while botd gives 200% to the undead. Looks nice, but vizier is a 1-2 hit KO already, and lord de seis may have more life, but doesn't put up much of a fight. Venom lords have all the health, so the damage vs demons is more beneficial. Also comes in handy vs Diablo and Baal (and waves 1, 3, 4, 5).




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Dec 3 2007 12:49am
thanks for that post it says it all haha, I'm sorry for being too lazy to look back.
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Dec 3 2007 12:50am
Y home clar, it's a good guide, but not perfect.... 8/10
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Quote (barbatin15 @ Mon, Dec 3 2007, 01:50am)
Y home clar, it's a good guide, but not perfect.... 8/10


not looking for ratings but thanks
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Dec 9 2007 11:51am

Quote (Morholt @ Sun, Nov 18 2007, 07:04am)
Well, here is the math:
291mil from 98-99. You receive 130-145k exp per run (I calculated it at 135k). Then you have number of runs required. Then we agree to knock off 200-250 runs from exp shrines. Multiply by 2.5 for an average run time. Now divide by 60 to go from minutes to hours. Now divide by 3 for hours per day. You get about 24-28 days depending on how many runs you take off from exp shrine estimations.

And yes, it is very easy to do diablo and nih within a 2.5 min run and get back for wave3. I do it every game without maphack (hate going all 4 ways to find nih ><).

EDIT: I'm available for math tutoring or help with how to press buttons into your calculator if needed.


You only need to go 3 ways max when searching for nih (he is always opposite the champions end).
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Dec 9 2007 11:59am
pm ultima1 to comment this. if he says GUT then it will become stickied. gg
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Quote (darkkobra @ Sun, 9 Dec 2007, 19:59)
pm ultima1 to comment this. if he says GUT then it will become stickied. gg


its stickied already btw. You should still pm ultima1 though.
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Quote (Honestly @ Sun, Nov 4 2007, 03:27pm)
why not use 2x wiz for tele? They give much more mana than spirit and much more res AND more fcr.

2x = gg man.

Unless you use spirit's for bo, which is understandable, but I think 2x wiz would be better just because 150 res (unsocket) and 100 fcr


And you should ber your ss and use a crafted belt /w fhr str res fcr life

you get max dr /w ber ss + enigma, so dungo's is pretty useless.


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Quote (tudey @ Sun, Dec 9 2007, 03:18pm)
its stickied already btw. You should still pm ultima1 though.


Shouldn't be stickied XD
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Dec 9 2007 06:02pm
Really cool guide. I've never personally liked barbarians..but i may have to try this one out, it sounds like fun and has mass damage!
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