So I have a bvc, with upto 30k AR, and just find it so hard to beat any serious smiter, even using pheonix let alone exile.

My question is what is the build/right way to kill a decked out smiter?

ww clipping is practically of no use when they switch to a zerker axe. Some serious barb duelers please help.

This post was edited by imshenny on Mar 6 2024 07:23am

are u doing WW Clipping correct ?

I have no idea how much game mechanics changed in D2R compared to D2Lod.

i still only play D2Lod, but here are some Old classic mechanics from my guide in WW Clip

Just keep in mind that this is D2Lod , some of the mechanics are not the same in D2R



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Misc.


Clipping & Range: I will try to illustrate how WW Clipping works. Both image will be updated periodically.

This Tactic & Strategy is mainly vs Smiter, V/T and T/V

but works great vs Wolf, Bear, Berserk, Zeal, Conc, Fury.



Part 1: First Image




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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isometric_graphics_in_video_games_and_pixel_art

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(computer_graphics)

https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Melee

https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Size

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Part 2: Another Image ^^






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Basic info of Skills



SMITE

● Smite always hits and cannot be blocked. (Except Assassin's Clawblock.) It will always knock back an eligible target.
● Even though shield damage is used, range adder, weapon speed and durability of weapon equipped are used.
● Casting Life Tap allows life to be leeched while using Smite.
● All modifiers are applied except for the following:
● Critical Strike | Deadly Strike | Magic/Cold/Fire/Light/Posion Damage | Life/Mana Steal | Min/Max Damage | Weapon base damage | Weapon % Enhanced Damage
● Damage + Still apply's (although this is not displayed by the character screen)



Guided Arrow

● Seeks a target within its search radius and will track it as long as it is still within that radius whenever the arrow checks for its position.
● Guided Arrow does not work with Pierce anymore. (v1.09)
● Although it has the same velocity as all other arrows and bolts. it does not expire for 5.12 seconds (128 frames)
● Always hits but it can still be blocked. Ignore Target Defens (Minimum chance to hit is always 23% vs 75% Block PvP)



Whirlwind

● Best used by not selecting specific target(s) but targeting point beyond so that attacks are made as user moves there. Selecting a target within melee range will only result in single Attack (without Whirlwind's).
● Cannot switch weapons or access inventory, potions or other skills while in whirlwind.
● No Chance to Cast of any kind is applied when in whirlwind.
● Whirlwind cannot be interrupted by blocking, casting, hit recovery, being knocked back or stunned once first attack has been executed.
● When moving to target, periodically searches for target(s) within 3 + 1/3 yard radius. However, even if target is within radius it can only be attacked if it is also within melee range.
● Consequently, area within radius in which a target can be attacked varies depending on range adder and target size:
● Target checks are always performed in the 4th and 8th frames of the whirlwind animation. Beyond that, check frequency is determined solely by Weapon Speed Modifier and weapon Increased Attack Speed: all other attack rate modifiers do not affect hit check frequency. EIAS = weapon IAS - WSM
● Weapon can only attack one target within radius and range at each check.
● Movement speed modifiers still apply while in Whirlwind.

● With two weapons, targeting check is made for primary weapon in fourth frame and for both weapons at every targeting check thereafter. If more than two targets can be targeted then each weapon will attack a separate target, otherwise both will attack single target. While target is in range, one weapon is constantly used to calculate the next hit-check frame. When no target is in range, alternates between the two weapons to calculate the next hit-check frame.

● Whirlwind is attacking while moving. You are constantly on the move when attacking. Apart from the advantages of being an uninterruptible attack, and ability to out-maneuver your targets, attack & move away to safety,
there are certain disadvantages with it:




Basic info of game mechanics



Slowdown

● Percentages % from multiple items equipped by the same player are summed, =
● Slows Target by % reduces target attack rate and velocity by the displayed percentage when applied by a successful attack (IAS / FRW)
● Slows Target for ~30 seconds (Not reset when target makes another successful attack).
● Maximum Slow Target for PvP is 50% | PvM 90%
● Cold Resist or Cannot be Frozen won't reduce or negate the slowing effect,
● HolyFreez Radial cold damage is applied to hostile targets within radius once every 2 seconds.
● HolyFreez is a separate source of "Slowdown" , This means 'Decrepify' + 'Golem' + 'Slow Target %' EQ Stack's up
● Decrepify Slowdown 50% of target's attack rate and velocity (IAS / FRW)
● Clay Golem Slowdown % is between 11-71% depending on Skill Level




KnockBack

● Target knocked back from attacker and put into hit recovery. Targets can be knocked back a distance of up to three sub-tiles when unobstructed, but occasionally they will only be knocked back one or two (or even just put into hit recovery without moving)
● Does not apply if target is frozen or killed
● Item Knockback is applied by successful melee and ranged attacks. Acquiring Knockback from more than one item is normally redundant, since it is checked only once per successful attack, and the chance is fixed by the target.
● When two weapons are equipped, Knockback from one weapon is applied only to attacks made using that weapon.
● No penalties apply to any attack or target, although the chance of Knockback being applied is dependent on target having a Knockback animation mode, and on target size:
● Chance of KnockingBack
Size 3 Target's = 25% KB
Size 2 Target's = 50% KB
Size 1 Target = 100% KB
Boss Target's = 0 % KB




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Calculators.

Here are some Calculator: Attack Rating - Block - Damage - Openwounds - Weapon - Increased attack speed - Skill.


Attack Rating
https://leetgamerz.me/Euro/Calculator/AR_Calculator.html

Block
https://leetgamerz.me/Euro/Calculator/Blocking_Calculator.html

Damage
https://leetgamerz.me/Euro/Calculator/Damage_Calculator.html

Increased Attack Speed
https://leetgamerz.me/Euro/Calculator/Ias_Calculator.html

Open Wounds
https://leetgamerz.me/Euro/Calculator/Open_Wounds_Calculator.html

Weapon Damage
https://leetgamerz.me/Euro/Calculator/Weapon_2.0_Calculator.html

Ghost Damage
https://leetgamerz.me/Euro/Calculator/Xepolite_Assa_WW_DMG.html

Faster Walk/Run Calculator
https://www.baronsbazaar.ca/forum/ppr/frw_calc.html

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Skill Calculator
https://www.diablo1.ru/poleznoe/calculator.php

InGame List Track For Diablo II
https://bns.laserblue.org/


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Pizza Roll


What Da Heck am i even doing ??





Practice


Try learning the "Distance" to keep to makeing perfect Clipping
(WW will hit Smiter, & Smiter Will MISS You)

try 1 angel first, then u can pratice the 7 other (total 8 angels)

(VS Grief PB Smiter = Easy)
(VS Grief BA Smiter = Medium / Hard)

When you get the hang of the distance , Dueling a smiter will be much simpler

WW Clipping = Smiter Forced to "Move/Walk/Run/Tele" if they stand still (and Shift smite) = THEY DIE ,

regardless if they are using Grief Ba,
They are forced to "Move/Walk/Run/Tele" against Clipping Barb, they will never be able to hit otherwise



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Misc 2.

Hitting without getting hit is the idea.I cant help you much on this,the tactic like is best mastered by practice.


Clipping: You catch the opponent with the edge of the whirlwind. This works best against smiters and other melee characters.


Whirlwind is attacking while moving. You are constantly on the move when attacking.
Apart from the advantages of being an uninterruptible attack, and ability to out-maneuver your targets, attack & move away to safety,
there are certain disadvantages with it:


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wow bro nice let me dig thru this stuff

i have a hard time clipping a smiter with a BA. according to this i was too close. cool stuff.

Its rlly hard but yes clip as best as u can, without str bug in d2r tho u wont really desync ww them like u could some on lod

Doesn’t work if they click and hold shift, it stops at wep range and the barb always gets tagged, long ww or not.

Nothing above will help you, you gotta time it just right so the pally is in charge animation.

Typically all barb have to use a demon limb, psn scs, cube Bo, doomz plus whatever else bm stuff they can think of to survive like cleglaws gloves to and they can’t even with that.

Long story short tho, long wws and catching people charging is the only way.

I’m a professional bvc killer.

This post was edited by Nataraja on Mar 10 2024 10:22am

so really the only thing to do is spec into spear mastery and have a botd war pike in the stash? what about knock back does it help at all?

It prevents them from stomping you yes, cleglaws generally bm so find craft.

This post was edited by Nataraja on Mar 10 2024 10:32am

Clipping works and is the key to win a smiter (for D2Lod) , and even better if they use PB cuz they have lower range,

Vs Ba they sacrifice some IAS for longer range, forced to try slowdown barb with holyfreeze to catch up , before they WW away (takes 1-2 sec before holy freeze apply to barb) so

Shift smiter are guarantee to lose, regardless if they use PB or BA, they will never hit barb.

Again , i dont know how much game mechanics has changed in d2r cuz i dont play d2r, (only d2lod)

Key for smiter to win is to : Normal walk smite and predict where the barb will "tele clip" smiter needs to constantly play aggressive, "move/walk/run/tele"

If they are stationary, =dead

Again atleast in D2Lod , but u probably never played against a good barb clipper in D2Lod

This post was edited by EuroPolita on Mar 10 2024 01:10pm

No you click smite and hold it down then hold shift, not the other way around. This is a bm melee trick

Clipping kinda works but you gonna need something longer than range 3 as we can match their range.

This post was edited by Nataraja on Mar 10 2024 01:46pm