That logic is absurd, so killing hundreds of thousands in Vietnam and Iraq is on par is building infrastructure in countries that needs infrastructure? Can we have some African, Iraqi Vietnamese comments here. You can’t just assume what others in the world think, most of Americans don’t even have a passport.

The good thing about facts is random people being quite obtuse and intentional with their goals of just being an irritating forum dweller doesn't invalidate them!

Yer nothing against that, just makes it no longer a debate, just throwing out opinions without basis

This isn't a debate. This is some fecal poster (imshenny) just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks so you can post 3 times back to back and thump your chest

This post was edited by Cascadian on Feb 5 2024 10:02pm

I rather say Cascadian is having some verbal diarrhoea and refusing to have the medication, but swallowing what he’s puking out

Historically speaking, Taiwan was colonized under the Qing during the 17th century, only to be ceded to the Japanese in 1895. So it's accurate to say that Taiwan was not a part of China for the vast majority of China's history.

New states have formed throughout history, the United States is one such example, and the two Koreas are recent memory. The mark of sovereignty is ownership, and the CCP has never exercised control over Taiwan.

The major powers that be do not recognize in fact that Taiwan is part of China. The United States certainly does not, or it wouldn't threaten the use of force to maintain Taiwanese independence.

It’s not colonialiized under the Qing dynasty, there’s another two thousand years before Qing dynasty. The major powers recognizes Taiwan is part of china, even the US, that’s why it doesn’t have any seat in any international institutions. Biden nor trump have never openly said anything about Taiwan not being part of china, let alone rest of the world

I notice that you didn't deny it, and I wouldn't believe you if you did deny it. Wumao gonna Wumao. It's not just Americans who think this way. Until the 1970s, dozens upon dozens of countries used to consider Taiwan the legitimate government of China. They were forced to retract this position if they wished to access PRC markets.

Helping Taiwan defend itself isn't warmongering. Invading Taiwan to bring it under PRC control would be the war mongering.

like helping libya, iraq, afghanistan, vietnam and native americans defend itself isnt war mongering? the US the most war mongering nation on the plant yet I see you're refusing to see the elephant in front of you. Taiwan is a geographical location, it cant be the legitmate goverment of anything. China rejoined the UN in 1971, it wasnt even a market econmy then, still in the middle of its culture revolusion so what markets for whom did any country access? I see you're misinformed as always in any none US history. And China - US re-established diplomacy in 1979 to counter the soviets, and to help US get out of its vietnam hole for your education. The high society in the US does not give a crap about some poor kid in the US armed forces dying for worthless cause as long as it brought oil/defense contracts, so meh, keep up the brain washing.

This post was edited by imshenny on Feb 6 2024 08:58am

You're arguing with a ketchup bottle.