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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 24 2024 04:32pm)
Slown down on personal attacks, I am not responsible for the truth, as hard and deep as it can be for you.

I provided links above, here's some supplemental...In case you need to sew up the missing piece :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27esxkQtfTc


Poppa Paul droppin' big truth bombs as a usual.
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maybe its just language barrier, but no part of any of my posts argued israel didnt create hamas. there's a point beyond that which you are incapable of understanding.


Sure probably my blindless which is democratically allowing me to refuse to accept what ultra nationalists jews did.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 25 2024 04:58pm)
Sure probably my blindless which is democratically allowing me to refuse to accept what ultra nationalists jews did.


What HAMAS did.
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These are not palestinian territories since there is not country named Palestine and those lands were taken from Jordan


That is such a bizarre argument to me, the one of "Well there's no country named Palestine".

Do people X live on land Y? Yes.

Does Israel forcibly remove people X from land Y? Yes, and it is part of the very founding of Israel and continues to this day via illegal settlements.

Naturally, people X are going to resist that reality, in the same way Israel would do the same if some other entity started illegally settling on Israeli land.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ 25 Apr 2024 19:39)
That is such a bizarre argument to me, the one of "Well there's no country named Palestine".

Do people X live on land Y? Yes.

Does Israel forcibly remove people X from land Y? Yes, and it is part of the very founding of Israel and continues to this day via illegal settlements.

Naturally, people X are going to resist that reality, in the same way Israel would do the same if some other entity started illegally settling on Israeli land.


Who did Israel won for west bank?
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Apr 25 2024 11:07am
Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 25 2024 10:03am)
Who did Israel won for west bank?


I'm genuinely not understanding this post/question.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 25 2024 07:39pm)
That is such a bizarre argument to me, the one of "Well there's no country named Palestine".

Do people X live on land Y? Yes.

Does Israel forcibly remove people X from land Y? Yes, and it is part of the very founding of Israel and continues to this day via illegal settlements.

Naturally, people X are going to resist that reality, in the same way Israel would do the same if some other entity started illegally settling on Israeli land.


Great so people X can have a blast in their West Bank and Gaza Strip and us people Y can finally live in peace in our homeland ?
We just solved the conflict.
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Quote (WhiteSouned @ Apr 25 2024 10:20am)
Great so people X can have a blast in their West Bank and Gaza Strip and us people Y can finally live in peace in our homeland ?
We just solved the conflict.


Israel continues to take land from people X though.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 25 2024 08:22pm)
Israel continues to take land from people X though.


People X continue to threaten people Y though AND are refusing to accept Israel. So, according to them, the entire land is theirs and therefore everything is occupied. Do you see the problem here and why the conflict is unsolvable ?
If it was a matter of drawing a border, it would have been solved already.
Us Israelis, and Palestinians btw (normal ones, not their politicians) aren’t giving as much weight on the settlements as you guys do. Just for you to know.
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Quote (WhiteSouned @ Apr 25 2024 10:26am)
People X continue to threaten people Y though AND are refusing to accept Israel. So, according to them, the entire land is theirs and therefore everything is occupied. Do you see the problem here and why the conflict is unsolvable ?
If it was a matter of drawing a border, it would have been solved already.
Us Israelis, and Palestinians btw (normal ones, not their politicians) aren’t giving as much weight on the settlements as you guys do. Just for you to know.


One can only take account for the things on their own side of the fence, and so long as any position avoids their own formation of cognitive dissonance because "the other side does x, y, and z", then conflict will spring eternal. It seems like it is hard for people to just acknowledge that the settlements are unethical. Israel would not tolerate another entity doing the same thing on Israeli land.
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