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Apr 17 2018 04:35pm
Aparté: la prudence juive

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Now Israel gov is more likely a curse for your people


Jews are cautious people.
"prudents"

They sometimes make mistakes, but their caution limits the damage.
I think it's unfair to say that the Israeli government is a curse.
It is not.

The Jews are a hare, quick, with prudence.
Catholics are a turtle, slow, with little prudence.

History has proved that Jews have a greater respect for decency than Catholics.

Still, Catholics are good persons.
They have thoughtfulness.
And they have a concern for team spirit, which is as important as having a concern for decency.



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This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Apr 17 2018 04:40pm
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Apr 18 2018 04:00am
Aparté: les séfarades en Afrique du Nord

Ça fait longtemps qu'il y a des séfarades en Afrique du Nord, depuis avant même la naissance Mahomet.
Il est donc fort possible que les séfarades connaissent bien la culture musulmane.
Puisqu'ils ont en quelque sorte assisté à sa naissance.
Vous le voir sur ce schéma:



Nous savons qu'il y a des choses graves qui sont dites dans la religion musulmane:
  • les musulmans veulent imposer à tous la croyance en Dieu, ce qui est contradictoire avec la démocratie au sens large
    Dans une démocratie, chaque humain, grâce à sa liberté individuelle, est le garant d'un bon dirigeant pour le pays.
    Il faut se révolter en cas de dérives totalitaires.
    Et il faut régulièrement choisir qui sera le prochain dirigeant.
    Bref, il faut être libre.
    Et ça implique d'être libre, même de ses croyances.
    Donc il y a une incompatibilité profonde entre l'islam et la démocratie
    .
  • les juifs sont traités de singes et de porcs
    C'est une atteinte à leurs droits d'humains.
    Le 5e instrument de la CERD condamne les discriminations raciales.
    Et en plus, c'est une atteinte à leurs droits de citoyens.
  • il y a d'autres éléments plus secondaires: la Charia qui est prônée, la peur phobique est encouragée, les châtiments sévères sont encouragés (couper un bras à un voleur)...


Le jihad et les interactions avec les autres communautés culturelles sont deux éléments majeurs de la culture musulmane.
Et c'est normal.
Mais ce sont de mauvais choix qui sont faits.

On ne peut pas se permettre d'espérer que les musulmans réussiront à se débrouiller pour cultiver leur intelligence alors qu'implicitement on les prive de 2 éléments majeurs de leur culture.
Mon avis, c'est qu'il faut leur offrir des alternatives.
Il faut les aider à trouver une façon d'interagir avec les autres communautés culturelles qui soit autre que le racisme.
Il faut les aider à préciser dans quelles conditions doit être fait le jihad, et ne pas les laisser croire que "le mécréant c'est tout ce qui n'est pas musulman".

Il faut les aider à trouver un moyen de faire le jihad, mais sans blesser les sept autres principaux courants culturels.
Il faut les aider à protéger leur intégrité vis-à-vis des autres communautés culturelles, mais sans blesser ses autres communautés, même pas par des insultes.

Voilà, c'est ça qui doit être fait.
C'est ça que les USA devraient faire.
Pourquoi ne font-ils pas ça?
L'islam, en l'état actuel, devraient être interdit, théoriquement, aux USA.
Comment les USA osent-ils prétendre être un pays de liberté, alors qu'il y a, aux USA, 3,000,000 de musulmans qui ont un islam dangereux?

This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Apr 18 2018 04:06am
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Apr 18 2018 04:56am
Aparté: la démocratie en Grèce Antique

Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 18 2018 10:35am)
Interesting stuff, but this forum is English only. Unless my phone is automatically translating it or something. Would be interested to read more if you can write it in English.


The word "democracy" comes from the Greek "demos" and "cratos".
It significates power to the people.
The people hold power.

The people is responsible for its leaders.
The people must revolt if the leaders make a totalitarian drift.
The people must choose, regularly, who will be the next leader.

The people have great responsibilities.
And the people have the duty to be free.

For a democracy to work, citizens must be free.

The first democracy in the world was Greece.
At that time, people were subject to laws.
People used to meet regularly on the hill of Pnyx to do politics.

Here is a picture of the hill of Pnyx:



All the citizens were meeting there.
This assembly was called "Ecclesia".

In ancient Greece, all citizens met regularly to engage in politics.

All the citizens gathered there, because all the citizens were free.
Freedom is something indispensable in a democracy.
It has always been the case.

And Islam deprives citizens of freedom by indirectly forcing them to believe in God.

The US may no longer be a democracy.
You must defend your freedoms.
That's democracy.

You must sing in the street that you do not believe in God.
You must provoke the Muslims, to show them that you are free
.

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This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Apr 18 2018 04:58am
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Aparté: l'adéquation

L'adéquation, c'est l'ensemble des choses suivantes:
  • gémir si on est soumis à une forte stimulation
  • garder conscience de notre environnement physique
  • détendre ses muscles
  • éviter la bagarre
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This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Apr 18 2018 06:17am
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Apr 18 2018 06:54am
Aparté: les livres religieux

Quote (Scaly @ Apr 18 2018 12:42pm)
The bible also says to kill non-believers and worshippers of other gods. Burn their homes and kill their livestock as well. Very few Christians follow that nowadays.

The question isn't 'what does the holy book say?'


I don't think so.
The Bible may say that to to "kill non-believers and worshippers of other gods", but there are no Christian or Jewish terrorist organizations that try to implement these recommendations.

It's a big difference between the Muslim community and the Christian and Jewish communities.

What is written in religious books is important.
And it's important especially when people start to apply & obey the recommendations that are proposed.
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Apr 18 2018 07:05am
Aparté: la politesse dans la culture musulmane

Mon blog est un ensemble de conjectures, d'expériences de pensées et d'hypothèses.

Ce que je vais dire dans ce post est seulement une hypothèse, alors ça risque d'être une bêtise.
C'est seulement une hypothèse.
Mais ça pourrait être quelque chose d'intéressant.

Je connais pas mal de choses sur la culture musulmane.
Ma grand-mère paternelle parlait couramment l'arabe, et a eu des amies musulmanes tout au long de sa vie.

Et il me semble que dans la culture musulmane, la politesse est peu présente.
Quand je côtoie des musulmans, je me rends souvent compte qu'ils utilisent peu les formules de politesse courantes:
  • bonjour
  • merci
  • je vous en prie
  • de rien
  • au revoir


Par contre, ils sourient beaucoup.
Comme si pour eux, l'amour était la cohésion sociale.
Il me semble que leur cohésion sociale ne consiste pas seulement en de la politesse et du respect.
Leur cohésion sociale consiste aussi en des liens d'amour.

Indirectement, ils vous forcent à leur offrir de l'amour.
Et pourtant, l'amour est une intelligence à part entière, qui devrait être manipulée avec précaution.
L'amour ne devrait pas constituer un simple lien de cohésion sociale.
L'amour est une intelligence à part entière.

C'est un manque de respect vis-à-vis des catholiques que de se servir de l'amour comme d'un outil de cohésion.
L'amour est davantage que ça.

L'amour, c'est ce qui permet d'éviter les confusions.
L'amour, c'est ce qui permet d'avoir une lucidité indispensable.

Se servir de l'amour comme d'un simple outil de cohésion entre des particuliers, c'est quelque chose de très grave.



Mon avis, c'est qu'il faut encourager les musulmans à faire preuve de politesse.
Il faut qu'ils arrêtent d'offrir leur sourire aux inconnus, parce que c'est déplacé.

Mon avis, c'est que ce qu'ils font est anormal.
Et c'est quelque chose de grave.



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A reproach I have to make to Muslims is to smile at me often.
Muslims often smile at me.
According to my personal experience, they do not use classical polite formulas, and instead they often smile.

The cohesion within their community is special.
Their social cohesion does not consist of politeness and respect.
Their social cohesion implies love.

And I think it's something wrong
.

As can be seen in this picture, love is an intelligence in its own right:

https://thumb.ibb.co/fEgNiS/carte2.png
https://image.ibb.co/eg6oOS/carte2.png


Love should not be used as a tool for social cohesion.
It is a lack of respect for Catholics
.


I think that Muslims should be encouraged to use politeness rather than love as a tool for social cohesion.

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This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Apr 18 2018 07:17am
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Aparté: le multiculturalisme

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 18 2018 01:22pm)
America is multiculturalism at it's best... you can't say the same about France.


Multiculturalism is not necessarily good.
Multiculturalism has good sides, and bad sides.

For many centuries Europe has refused to immigrate Muslims.
And they did not trade with Muslim countries either.
It was the Jews who used to take the boat, and who were were in charge for trades with North Africa.

For many centuries, multiculturalism has been seen as something very bad in Europe.

Here is for example the story of the Jews of Venice if you are interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-bS8e9jVIo


Multiculturalism has good sides, but it must be brought smoothly.

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This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Apr 18 2018 07:34am
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Aparté: accomplir

Quote (Scaly @ Apr 18 2018 12:42pm)
'what do religious people genuinely believe is moral and how are they willing to take action to promote and protect that moral decency as they perceive it?'


This is a super complex question.
We are in the 21st century.
We are not yet able to read people's minds.

Quote (Scaly @ Apr 18 2018 02:01pm)
Except there are [Christian or Jewish terrorist organizations that try to implement these recommendations].


It was not Jews and Christians who destroyed the Twin Towers.
It was not Jews and Christians who committed attacks in France and the United Kingdom.

Please, do not compare Muslim terrorist organizations with Jewish and Christian terrorist organizations.
Muslim terrorist organizations have accomplished some things that no other terrorist organization has done.

Do not compare things that are not comparable.
Terrorism in connection with Islam is a large-scale event.
They attack other religious communities, creating an extremely serious culture shock.



Do you understand the word: "accomplish"?
It is a very important word in the Hebrew and Arabic languages
.

Do you understand this word?
"Accomplish"?

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Apr 18 2018 11:31am
Aparté: une haine contre les musulmans?

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 18 2018 04:25pm)
The wording of the books isnt completely important because its the action of the practicers that actually matter.


I do not fear criminals.
I fear organized criminals.

So yes, the wording of the books actaully matters.
A solid support for a criminal ideology is something serious.
We should affront this.
We must prevent that.

The Quran:
  • encourages crime
  • serves as a support for many criminals


I think you have to ask for it to be changed.
Would you let someone you love read a book that encourages suicide bombings?

We have to stop hating muslims.
We need to help them.
We must help them to modify their book.

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