to continue with the initial question: it is ok to pray to Mary ?
I say yes it is ok and even likely encourage. Read at the Wedding at Cana,

On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine gave out, the mother of Jesus said to him, ‘They have no wine.’ And Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, what concern is that to you and to me? My hour has not yet come.’ His mother said to the servants, ‘Do whatever he tells you.’ Now standing there were six stone water-jars for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons. Jesus said to them, ‘Fill the jars with water.’ And they filled them up to the brim. He said to them, ‘Now draw some out, and take it to the chief steward.’ So they took it. When the steward tasted the water that had become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the steward called the bridegroom and said to him, ‘Everyone serves the good wine first, and then the inferior wine after the guests have become drunk. But you have kept the good wine until now.’ Jesus did this, the first of his signs, in Cana of Galilee, and revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother, his brothers, and his disciples; and they remained there for a few days.

- John 2:1-12

They were out of wine and Mary, mother of Jesus noticed that to him but jesus awnsered that his hour has not yet come.. But later he perfomred the first miracle of his public life.
Praying Mary means that you may found grace quicker than when you pray jesus directly.

Its written in the Bible and you don't need to be a "natural born again" but just open your heart and believe..

Being born again is life changing, it's spiritual change, you think pouring water on a baby who has no understanding is changing him spiritually? If the water changes him than why do many people who are baptized as baby's grow up never knowing God, or even caring about God. Hitler was baptized as a baby, it certainly did not affect him, furthermore only you have the power of your spirit no human can change that.

If you are born again you receive eternal kingdom, by your definition being born again is being baptized as a child, so that means Hitler is in Heaven? I don't think so.

You have a much bigger issue than praying to Mary, you need to seek salvation from the Lord immediately.


I think the following verse pretty much shuts down any idolatry nonsense...

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Mary rejoiced in God as her savior.
Luke 1:47 - "And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior"

This post was edited by LiquidZerg on Jun 19 2012 10:22am

Like I said earlier 1: reading Bible is one thing 2: understand the Bibkle is another one.
Normally, those who only read the Bible litterally but doesnt undertand the meaning will say idiocy.

Unfortunatly, point 1 apply to you and I am very sad about it.
I will pray Mary the mother of God to help you to open your heart and enlightened your mind and spirit in order to recive the truth

I read the bible and study it every night, I pray to Jesus who is my God and my creator, I know that he will deliver me truth because he promised it. Mary never made that promise, and I will never pray to her.

John 14:6 Jesus answered "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

Jesus is the only way, not Mary, not the pope, not nobody.


I pray that one day you will become saved.

This post was edited by LiquidZerg on Jun 19 2012 10:29am

Your exemple with Hitler is awkward. Who are you to judge him ? What do you know about his last minutes or second in this life ? What if, just before he passed, he recognized all of the sins he committed and decided to turn his heart to the infinite mercy of God ?

Where I said that Mary is God or she is the truth, the way and the life ? I just said that she is a powerful intercessor to the heart of his son Jesus. When people say that they pray Mary, in facts they pray God through Mary`s heart

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

So Timothy is a liar?

Thats what happen when someone read the Bible and have a little knowledge about it.

Mediator = savior Jesus is the savior and only one. Mary, the mlther of Jesus (God) is not the mediator but an intercessor. Read again the Wedding in Cana and also, read again when Jesus, said to John and Mary before he died: John this os your mother, mary, this is your son. The theology to be understand here is John = the humanity

Continu to pray brother and if you open your heart to the intercession of Mary , the mother of God, one day I hope, your mind and spirit will be enlightened to the truth.

Amen

show me a verse where believers prayed to the dead.