Quote (Santara @ May 8 2016 08:02pm)
Is anyone willing to summarize the thread?
I use the 10 posts per page model, so some relevant things:
OP: Should society actively shame fat/obese people so that they lose weight, because their weight has health implications that not only harm the individual but put a burden on society from medical expenditures? (Essentially in opposition to the 'Health at Every Size' mantra/movement).
Pages 1 - 10: Discussions about the ethics of "shaming", from those who both oppose and support the idea, but then also the effectiveness of shame-based approaches. Towards the end: some discussion about the evolutionary basis of attraction v. the historical differences of what defined 'beauty' in relation to size throughout time.
Pages 16 - 20: Discussion of food deserts and low-income neighborhood/families being less likely able to afford healthy food options and have the knowledge of how to cook/eat healthy.
Pages 21 - 36: Discussion about diets, especially veganism, as being truly 'health conscience' v. just being anti-fat. Pointing out that fat shaming isn't grounded in "health" as much as people claim it to be, and that it's instead just anti-fat.
Pages 39 - 40: Some basic introduction to the 'health at very size' mantra, and noting that a person's size does not directly correlate to their health in and of itself.
Pages 47 - 50: Veganism, again, and the implication of hypocrisy by those who are anti-fat for 'health reasons and the burden on society' but whose own diet contributes to not only medical issues, but also environmental issues.
Pages 51 - 56: Discussion about being anti-fat v. pro-health. Getting at the crux of the argument as to why it focuses purely on 'fat' and not all the other varied ways in which people are unhealthy and whether 'shame' is a moral/effective strategy for engagement.
Pages 61 - 66: tric makes a cameo. More talk about veganism.
Pages 77 - 79: Discussion of genetic factors related to obesity, with some arguing they play a significant role and others saying they're a scapegoat for poor eating behavior.
Page 80: Discussion of the potential effects of shaming on people who are fat and whether it would motivate people to lose weight at all, and if so, in healthy v. unhealthy ways.
Pages 88 - 91: Arguments for and against the BMI as a reliable metric.
tl;dr: Some people are definitively anti-fat and think we should shame fat people, while others do see the issue of 'fat' being a problem but don't think shaming people is moral and/or effective. Then others argue that the anti-fat sentiments are hypocritical and are disguised under the veil of being about "health", but that they're just anti-fat.