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Just out of interest does anyone invest in traditional currencies on Forex?
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Just out of interest does anyone invest in traditional currencies on Forex?


Prepping for Brexit I see

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Prepping for Brexit I see

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15% of my net worth is already in the stock market, I've got it covered

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15% of my net worth is already in the stock market, I've got it covered



So 400 pounds?

Not too many commoners invest in FX, doubt anyone on here does. FX imo offers less yield, higher entry barriers, a much better understanding of the macro environment required. Most people would just opt for crypto or stock.

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So 400 pounds?


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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-09/economist-get-ready-world-currency-2018




A Rothschild publication predicts that a one world currency is likely to be put in place as soon as 2018 – eroding individual nations’ sense of sovereignty.


One must also keep in mind that the controlling interest of The Economist is held by the powerful Rothschild family, who regard themselves as the “custodians of The Economist magazine’s legacy.” In essence, the magazine operates as a quasi-propaganda arm for the Rothschild banking empire and related businesses and, is in many ways, meant to prime the pump of public opinion for the globalist agenda to be implemented.

The excerpt below appeared in the print magazine on January 9, 1988, in Vol. 306, pp 9-10.

Ready for the Phoenix

THIRTY years from now, Americans, Japanese, Europeans, and people in many other rich countries, and some relatively poor ones will probably be paying for their shopping with the same currency. Prices will be quoted not in dollars, yen or D-marks but in, let’s say, the phoenix. The phoenix will be favoured by companies and shoppers because it will be more convenient than today’s national currencies, which by then will seem a quaint cause of much disruption to economic life in the last twentieth century.

At the beginning of 1988 this appears an outlandish prediction. Proposals for eventual monetary union proliferated five and ten years ago, but they hardly envisaged the setbacks of 1987. The governments of the big economies tried to move an inch or two towards a more managed system of exchange rates – a logical preliminary, it might seem, to radical monetary reform. For lack of co-operation in their underlying economic policies they bungled it horribly, and provoked the rise in interest rates that brought on the stock market crash of October. These events have chastened exchange-rate reformers. The market crash taught them that the pretence of policy co-operation can be worse than nothing, and that until real co-operation is feasible (i.e., until governments surrender some economic sovereignty) further attempts to peg currencies will flounder.



The New World Economy

The biggest change in the world economy since the early 1970’s is that flows of money have replaced trade in goods as the force that drives exchange rates. as a result of the relentless integration of the world’s financial markets, differences in national economic policies can disturb interest rates (or expectations of future interest rates) only slightly, yet still call forth huge transfers of financial assets from one country to another. These transfers swamp the flow of trade revenues in their effect on the demand and supply for different currencies, and hence in their effect on exchange rates. As telecommunications technology continues to advance, these transactions will be cheaper and faster still. With unco-ordinated economic policies, currencies can get only more volatile.



In all these ways national economic boundaries are slowly dissolving. As the trend continues, the appeal of a currency union across at least the main industrial countries will seem irresistible to everybody except foreign-exchange traders and governments. In the phoenix zone, economic adjustment to shifts in relative prices would happen smoothly and automatically, rather as it does today between different regions within large economies (a brief on pages 74-75 explains how.) The absence of all currency risk would spur trade, investment and employment.



The phoenix zone would impose tight constraints on national governments. There would be no such thing, for instance, as a national monetary policy. The world phoenix supply would be fixed by a new central bank, descended perhaps from the IMF. The world inflation rate – and hence, within narrow margins, each national inflation rate- would be in its charge. Each country could use taxes and public spending to offset temporary falls in demand, but it would have to borrow rather than print money to finance its budget deficit. With no recourse to the inflation tax, governments and their creditors would be forced to judge their borrowing and lending plans more carefully than they do today. This means a big loss of economic sovereignty, but the trends that make the phoenix so appealing are taking that sovereignty away in any case. Even in a world of more-or-less floating exchange rates, individual governments have seen their policy independence checked by an unfriendly outside world.



As the next century approaches, the natural forces that are pushing the world towards economic integration will offer governments a broad choice. They can go with the flow, or they can build barricades. Preparing the way for the phoenix will mean fewer pretended agreements on policy and more real ones. It will mean allowing and then actively promoting the private-sector use of an international money alongside existing national monies. That would let people vote with their wallets for the eventual move to full currency union. The phoenix would probably start as a cocktail of national currencies, just as the Special Drawing Right is today. In time, though, its value against national currencies would cease to matter, because people would choose it for its convenience and the stability of its purchasing power.



The alternative – to preserve policymaking autonomy- would involve a new proliferation of truly draconian controls on trade and capital flows. This course offers governments a splendid time. They could manage exchange-rate movements, deploy monetary and fiscal policy without inhibition, and tackle the resulting bursts of inflation with prices and incomes polices. It is a growth-crippling prospect. Pencil in the phoenix for around 2018, and welcome it when it comes.

Only ten years later, in 1998, The Economist was once again engaging the public in an effort to forward the globalist agenda, with an article entitled “One world, one money.”






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So 400 pounds?

Not too many commoners invest in FX, doubt anyone on here does. FX imo offers less yield, higher entry barriers, a much better understanding of the macro environment required. Most people would just opt for crypto or stock.


To be fair, that's like $520.

The pound isn't doing great but owning UK stocks is a good way of protecting its value, as a devalued pound tends to inflate the FTSE. As it looks like the dollar is going to have a rough few years and the Dow Jones will offer less protection from exchange rate depreciation, it would be interesting to hear people's investment strategies. If it were me I'd probably invest in US companies with most of their revenues abroad to protect against a falling dollar.

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To be fair, that's like $520.

The pound isn't doing great but owning UK stocks is a good way of protecting its value, as a devalued pound tends to inflate the FTSE. As it looks like the dollar is going to have a rough few years and the Dow Jones will offer less protection from exchange rate depreciation, it would be interesting to hear people's investment strategies. If it were me I'd probably invest in US companies with most of their revenues abroad to protect against a falling dollar.


I think your conclusion is off so let's talk about it. Why do you think the dollar will fall when the Federal Reserve is taking 50 billion monthly from circulation and the interest rate has been increasing steadily? Maybe they stop or slow rate hikes but there's no way they lower rates in 2019. The LIBOR has been steadily increasing so it's hard for me to see how that would devalue currencies.

I'm a novice to investing but one of my favorite strategies is finding blue-chip names that are down a lot, in many cases due to the every day news or market risks that in my opinion are blown out of proportion. I bought Apple at 147 few days ago just because a company of that size & power to trade at PE of 12 seems cheap to me. It's also down like 40% off its highs and I think a company like that will be around for a very long time.

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I think your conclusion is off so let's talk about it. Why do you think the dollar will fall when the Federal Reserve is taking 50 billion monthly from circulation and the interest rate has been increasing steadily? Maybe they stop or slow rate hikes but there's no way they lower rates in 2019. The LIBOR has been steadily increasing so it's hard for me to see how that would devalue currencies.

I'm a novice to investing but one of my favorite strategies is finding blue-chip names that are down a lot, in many cases due to the every day news. I bought Apple at 147 few days ago just because a company of that size & power to trade at PE of 12 seems cheap to me. It's also down like 40% of its highs and I think a company like that will be around for a very long time.


Mainly because GDP growth is slowing. The business cycle is edging towards the recession phase and markets are conscious of this, particularly in respect of GDP growth. Trump's tax cuts had a positive effect but this has been ebbing away towards the tail end of the year.

The increase of the deficit under Trump in conjunction with rate rises is a slight cause for concern. While a full on trade war with China is unlikely, it would be foolish to ignore the possibility of it with someone as erratic as Trump president.

e/ This poll is from an article I read yesterday, which covers some of the points:



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Mainly because GDP growth is slowing. The business cycle is edging towards the recession phase and markets are conscious of this, particularly in respect of GDP growth. Trump's tax cuts had a positive effect but this has been ebbing away towards the tail end of the year.

The increase of the deficit under Trump in conjunction with rate rises is a slight cause for concern. While a full on trade war with China is unlikely, it would be foolish to ignore the possibility of it with someone as erratic as Trump president.

e/ This poll is from an article I read yesterday, which covers some of the points:

https://imgur.com/dHfxZaz.jpg


I agree that slowing growth is a concern, but I disagree with your conclusion about interest rates. Yeah, higher interests rate can significantly slow growth down but I think that's kind of the point. Ultimately when central banks raise the IR it's because they are confident in the stability & strength of the economies. You wouldn't be raising rates in a recession, in fact, you'd do the opposite so the global economies aren't in that bad of a shape if LIBOR is going up.

I can't speak for the global environment but economic indicators in the US are not pointing to a recession. The unemployment rate, job growth, wage growth, etc all look good. It's hard to say we're close to a recession when such indicators are trending positive.

I think a strong case against the dollar is the fact that so much of the world's debt is denominated in dollars so it's a benefit to have some inflation and devalue that debt. Whether you're the US gov't 20 trillion in debt or you're a corporation that has a lot of debt or you're a country like Turkey it's a net positive for the dollar to be lower. This fact kind of scares me because i'm almost entirely in cash right now :unsure:

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