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Oct 13 2016 11:23am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 13 2016 02:07pm)
Um, Cillary is a corporatist. Bernie and GJ aren't?


how dare you talk about comrade sanders in the same sentence as what is aleppo
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Oct 13 2016 11:25am
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how dare you talk about comrade sanders in the same sentence as what is aleppo


I noticed you avoided Killary when talking of sentences. You must work for the FBI.
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Oct 13 2016 11:32am
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LOL WHAT?! Gary Johnson is totally a corporatist. I wouldn't consider voting for him if he wasn't.


In what ways does he promote corporations at the expense of the public? What special carve-outs does he promote? What tax code favoritism? What?
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Oct 13 2016 11:37am
Quote (Santara @ Oct 13 2016 06:32pm)
In what ways does he promote corporations at the expense of the public? What special carve-outs does he promote? What tax code favoritism? What?


no environmental regulatory oversight on corporations for one.
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Oct 13 2016 11:39am
Quote (Mattd90 @ Oct 13 2016 12:20pm)
In a socially liberal aspect yes, they are similar, although I feel Bernie is sincere in his direction, whereas Hillary is the same pandering liar she always has been.

Economically, they are day and night. Hillary is the quintessential Wallstreet politician, nowhere near Bernie what Bernie was. So in that aspect, former Bernie supporters are going against their own cause by supporting Hillary.


Economically they're extremely similar. Like just Google a list of their economic opinions.


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In what ways does he promote corporations at the expense of the public? What special carve-outs does he promote? What tax code favoritism? What?


Virtually his entire platform is pro-corporation anti-employee.

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Oct 13 2016 11:40am
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In what ways does he promote corporations at the expense of the public? What special carve-outs does he promote? What tax code favoritism? What?


Like me, he's a strong proponent of the Citizens United ruling. That ruling allows for quite a bit of money in politics, primarily for corporate interests. He also wants to get rid of the capital gains tax which would undoubtedly help wealthier individuals and corporations. He wants to abolish corporate taxes too.

I have to ask, what's wrong with corporatism? There are some very real benefits for protecting certain industries and I believe that corporations deserve representation in our government in some way if we're going to regulate them and tax them.
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Oct 13 2016 11:41am
Quote (dro94 @ Oct 13 2016 11:37am)
no environmental regulatory oversight on corporations for one.


One thing I don't get is Libertarian opposition to environmental regulation.

In true Libertarian world we should be able to sue companies that contribute significantly to pollution and the like since they directly harm other people, and as a result we wouldn't have any business because any polluting business would be sued to oblivion before they could make it past their first year.

Environmental regulations are good for business and the economy, it's also an example of government fixing something that every economist will tell you is a failure of the free market (externalities and all that). It's the textbook example of where we need a higher authority to give oversight.


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Like me, he's a strong proponent of the Citizens United ruling. That ruling allows for quite a bit of money in politics, primarily for corporate interests. He also wants to get rid of the capital gains tax which would undoubtedly help wealthier individuals and corporations. He wants to abolish corporate taxes too.

I have to ask, what's wrong with corporatism? There are some very real benefits for protecting certain industries and I believe that corporations deserve representation in our government in some way if we're going to regulate them and tax them.


Corporatism is only a problem when it's at the expense of the public, which we have had some pretty visible examples of recently. The fact that no bankers went to jail after the 2008 crash being one such failure of justice.

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Oct 13 2016 11:47am
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One thing I don't get is Libertarian opposition to environmental regulation.

In true Libertarian world we should be able to sue companies that contribute significantly to pollution and the like since they directly harm other people, and as a result we wouldn't have any business because any polluting business would be sued to oblivion before they could make it past their first year.

Environmental regulations are good for business and the economy, it's also an example of government fixing something that every economist will tell you is a failure of the free market (externalities and all that). It's the textbook example of where we need a higher authority to give oversight.




Corporatism is only a problem when it's at the expense of the public, which we have had some pretty visible examples of recently. The fact that no bankers went to jail after the 2008 crash being one such failure of justice.


libertarians think externalities are caused by the government... or something

the answer to every problem is the same - get the government out of it. then the problem is solved
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Oct 13 2016 11:49am
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libertarians think externalities are caused by the government... or something

the answer to every problem is the same - get the government out of it. then the problem is solved


It's pretty much a religion in that sense.
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Oct 13 2016 12:06pm
Quote (dro94 @ Oct 13 2016 11:47am)
libertarians think externalities are caused by the government... or something

the answer to every problem is the same - get the government out of it. then the problem is solved


I think it would be more accurate to say "get the government out of it, then the problem is solvable".

Which rings true in many cases, the Govt has a vested interest in employing a large number of people, businesses employ the number required. As a pseudo libertarian i can say that's not applicable to much perfectly but its not nonsense universally either.
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