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Dec 14 2022 08:29am
Hi, currently I'm at 1 pass 2 fails, and have 11 stat points to spend when reroll.

I climbed barb, failed, climbed again and passed, then climbed samurai, failed.

How does the extra stat point work? I thought you get one for every fail on the latest unlocked class.

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Dec 14 2022 12:57pm
so it's amount of fails divided by number of passes

so on feeder with 0 passes, each fail = 1 stat, so 10 fails in a row = maxed.
with only samurai unlocked you'll need 20 fails to max it, 10 will give 5 stats
with samurai and paladin unlocked you'll need 30 etc


the cap is 10 bonus stats for a total of 20 at level 1 to spend

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Quote (Bigheaded @ Dec 14 2022 06:57pm)
so it's amount of fails divided by number of passes

so on feeder with 0 passes, each fail = 1 stat, so 10 fails in a row = maxed.
with only samurai unlocked you'll need 20 fails to max it, 10 will give 5 stats
with samurai and paladin unlocked you'll need 30 etc


the cap is 10 bonus stats for a total of 20 at level 1 to spend


thank you very much!

so to max it you need x * 10 amount of fails where x is the place of the class in the unlock queue where feeder is 1 and alchemist is 8

so to have an alchemist with 20 to spend you need 80 fails

it seems classses gain 5 total stat point per unlock, feeder starts with 150 and alchemist has 175

so a maxed alchemist has 35 more total stat points at level 1 than a feeder, with the caviat that they can't use weapons.

it seems a warlock with good gear is possibly stronger than an alchemist in this case
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warlock completely wrecks alchemist anyway for even at level 1 can use a 15-20 int staff or x int with x mana if mana is an issue.
at level 55, even a 40 int staff will make up for lack of stats seeing mana isnt really an issue at that point

warlock is generally deemed the strongest class, although headhunter gets very close and arguably better when you start using dual str+dex gear, as axes when you have +80 str/dex armor and charm is pretty obscene damage and a few people have this sort of gear.

alchemist is generally considered stronger than classes before warlock though, although it gets much closer. Arguably even a mage us better if you own a staff above 60 int.

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Dec 14 2022 07:27pm
Quote (jakestrong @ 15 Dec 2022 08:03)
thank you very much!

so to max it you need x * 10 amount of fails where x is the place of the class in the unlock queue where feeder is 1 and alchemist is 8

so to have an alchemist with 20 to spend you need 80 fails

it seems classses gain 5 total stat point per unlock, feeder starts with 150 and alchemist has 175

so a maxed alchemist has 35 more total stat points at level 1 than a feeder, with the caviat that they can't use weapons.

it seems a warlock with good gear is possibly stronger than an alchemist in this case


Alchemist is actually the worse character class because it can not use a weapon for the additional support and the other major point is because of the amount of keys to reset ladder.
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Not even close to the worst character because casting is very strong.

However this is all opionated, but alchemists will in general outdamage feeders as they have access to pink warlock abilities
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Quote (Bigheaded @ 15 Dec 2022 23:45)
Not even close to the worst character because casting is very strong.

However this is all opionated, but alchemists will in general outdamage feeders as they have access to pink warlock abilities


Casting is very strong, and yet you have to get to level 85 using Robes for defense vs a Mage that only needs level 71 for Master Quest and can use a Weapon for additional damage support equivalent at level 71 compared to an Alchemist?

Also a Mage starts with 20 Vitality vs 15 for an Alchemist.

Mage Stats: Starting Stats: 20(str) 50(dex) 60(int) 20(vita)
Alch Stats: Starting Stats: 10(str) 40(dex) 110(int) 15(vita)

Outside of the Intelligence which a weapon on a mage can compensate for, and deal physical damage, the Alchemist is worse off. Even a Guardian with a heavy weapon with 100% ee, +50 Int, 10% QD can compete with damage output. Note: this is only the weapon.

Hey... even a Damage Calculator is only as good as the gear your character has access to to be better.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Dec 15 2022 07:18am
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Dec 15 2022 09:50am
Depends if we're talking solo or group, I can tell you my solo ninja climbs we're immensely harder than my solo alch climbs.
Would personally argue ninja is the hardest to mq with for a solo climb if given 50 stat charm 50 stat armor or 170ee armor and a 170ee weapon/charm and 170ee heal charm.

My alch in groups also did more damage than my samurai/monk/ninja and even pally/barb using better gear cos their abilities aren't great for a back rank damage dealer.

So yes I would say alch is far from the worst group damage dealer or slowest solo climb.


However we're both way off topic at this point
You say alch is worst
I'd say guardian/ninja are worst.

It's OK to.disagree
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