Quote (18nomaUSEast @ Jun 24 2022 07:58pm)

without outside interference? what do you call the rearing process between expulsion from the host's body through the first several years before complex thought exists?

Quote (JessiWan @ 24 Jun 2022 23:04)

I think his point is that being alive is a very good experience and we shouldn't deny the unborn of it due to selfish reasons.

Quote (fender @ Jun 24 2022 07:34pm)

not with authoritarians and religious bigots of course, but certainly with people who value freedom, bodily autonomy, women's rights, and the government staying out of your private business.

i think you could make a decent argument that it can reasonably become the government's business once the fetus is viable (a quick reminder that just 8% of abortions are performed week 13 and later, just about 1% week 20 or later - earliest viability is around week 23, which accounts for less than half a percent of all abortions) - at least in a modern society that can afford to and has the political will to ensure that baby doesn't suffer from hunger and poverty - so that definitely doesn't include the US.

so yeah, fundamentally none of your or the government's business - especially a government that doesn't give a flying fuck about actual children.

Quote (18nomaUSEast @ Jun 24 2022 08:06pm)

who says being alive is a good experience O_O

Quote (18nomaUSEast @ Jun 24 2022 10:58pm)

without outside interference? what do you call the rearing process between expulsion from the host's body through the first several years before complex thought exists?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 24 2022 07:09pm)

Why aren't you happy that more black boys and girls are going to have a chance at life, to grow up to pursue their dreams and be happy, laugh, cry, live.

My thing with abortion proponents is like, do some introspection. You today are alive, you can enjoy the sun, a good meal, sex, fill in the blank. If life is that miserable for you, you can commit suicide, it's your choice. You don't though, because life is good and you have a inherent drive and want to live. But yet you want to deny that young life the same experience for convenience purposes? It's inhumane and absolutely selfish.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 24 Jun 2022 23:08)

I call it natural and expected. It's observed in pretty much most mammal species. What's unnatural is to purposefully end an offspring's life. You look at nature around you and most organisms are trying to pass on their genes.

Quote (18nomaUSEast @ Jun 24 2022 11:10pm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_(zoology)#Infanticide_by_parents_and_caregivers

Quote (ofthevoid @ 24 Jun 2022 23:11)

Cool, exceptions exist. Are exceptions the norm though?