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Update to 1.14d and play bnet classic instead of playing pure unadulterated bugged games
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Jun 13 2022 09:39am
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Quote (Germain @ Jun 13 2022 12:51pm)
No wonder you didn't find your answer if you don't read everything until the end. ;)

edit: I easily confirmed that CM woudn't not lower mob's res below 0., thanks to google.


sigh...

Let me elegantly help you and guide you:

Quote (LaughingSkull @ Jun 12 2022 06:36pm)
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I had this theory as well; now that I think about it, I should have also included this in OP.

Initially I suspected the same: Cold Mastery only affects monsters that DO HAVE COLD RESISTANCE in the first place and is otherwise without effect.

HOWEVER, this demonstrated itself as CLEARLY not true when I faced uniques with mods such as Spectral Hit / Cold Enchanted / Magic Resistance (which grant Cold Res) and my Glacial Spike proved to be just as impotent against them as it was before lvl 30 and my skilling of Cold Mastery.

Trust me: Cold Mastery simply DOES NOT WORK, or, if it does, it is through some very obscure mechanics that are not immediately logical.

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Any more questions? :)

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Jun 13 2022 12:11pm
I have no idea why you made a thread if you don't want any answers to clear your assumption.

1) Nothing happen to 0 cold res units
2) You can't lower cold res below zero and units has less res back then
3) You deal this % cold dmg = 100 - ( [MonsterColdRes] - [ [MonsterColdRes] * [YouCM%] ] )
Try with numbers, you will see that you barely notice a difference.

Now if your goal was to warn everyone that CM worked differently back in the day and how cool you are playing 1.06b, thanks we noticed you champ :thumbsup:
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Quote (Germain @ Jun 13 2022 09:11pm)
Try with numbers, you will see that you barely notice a difference.


I tried not only with numbers but with some in-game experimentation as well. as already explained:

1) There are monsters in the game which I KNOW already have a significant amount of Cold Resistance.

2) They were tough to take down with my Glacial Spike before I had skilled Cold Mastery.

3) These same monsters are just as tough to take down with my same-level Glacial Spike even after I have put 6 levels into Cold Mastery (59 percent CR decrease)
...which should reduce their cold resistance by 60%; So, if they stood at 99%, which is the maximum (afaik), because of no immunities in Classic, their cold res should be brought down to 40%; BUT IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE REDUCED AT ALL, AS I STILL EXPERIENCE DIFFICULTY TAKING THEM DOWN)

So uh... yeah. We got a problem here.


This post was edited by LaughingSkull on Jun 13 2022 12:19pm
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Jun 13 2022 12:52pm
i heard cold mastery doesn't work properly in 1.06d unless you play on a pentium 4 in your mom's basement.. could be rumors though
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Jun 13 2022 01:29pm
Quote (Germain @ Jun 13 2022 02:11pm)
I have no idea why you made a thread if you don't want any answers to clear your assumption.

1) Nothing happen to 0 cold res units
2) You can't lower cold res below zero and units has less res back then
3) You deal this % cold dmg = 100 - ( [MonsterColdRes] - [[MonsterColdRes] *[YouCM%]] )
Try with numbers, you will see that you barely notice a difference.

Now if your goal was to warn everyone that CM worked differently back in the day and how cool you are playing 1.06b, thanks we noticed you champ :thumbsup:

:hail:
Dude made an account just to ask this question then acts like a dickhead and doesn't listen to anyone. Peak JSP.
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Jun 13 2022 07:20pm
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Quote (vonhizzle @ Jun 13 2022 10:29pm)
:hail:
Dude made an account just to ask this question then acts like a dickhead and doesn't listen to anyone. Peak JSP.


Except that "dude" actually had already stated in his very frst post in this thread this:

Quote (LaughingSkull @ Jun 12 2022 04:15pm)

My assumption now is that rather than a direct subtraction from resistances (like in LoD), Cold Mastery reduces multiplicatively:

So say if a monster has 60 Cold Resistance, Cold Mastery's "50 percent reduction" would bring it to 30 (50 percent of 60) rather than 10 (60 minus 50).

Is that so? Even if it were, I should have STILL seen an increase [in my damage output], yet I do not! :O


...

...which Germain then presented as an "original contribution" in... post #13...

Wow!!

Such many thanks to Germain for his timely insights! :)

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Jun 13 2022 07:23pm
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Childish bickering aside, I actually think I have maybe found the correct solution to our conundrum:

Maybe the resistance granted to the unique monsters from their respective mods (Spectral Hit / Cold Enchanted / Magic Resistance) come AFTER the Cold Mastery's resistance reduction is applied in the mathcraft.
This would mean that Cold Mastery is applied to the base resistance of the monster, and then the + X res from Spectral Hit / Cold Enchanted / Magic Resistance is added.

So THAT'S WHY IT APPEARS like Cold Mastery is so impotent....

Wow... Good job, Blizzard... ~_~
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This post was edited by LaughingSkull on Jun 13 2022 07:23pm
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Jun 14 2022 01:17am
Someone told you to update to 1.14b. Please don't ever do that.
Stay on old version classic forever. D2 and jsp really don't need more jerks



Quote (LaughingSkull @ Jun 14 2022 03:23am)

Wow... Good job, Blizzard... ~_~
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That was in 2001. You blame blizzard for something that they already patched about 20 years ago? Next level criticism
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Quote (LaughingSkull @ 14 Jun 2022 03:23)
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Childish bickering aside, I actually think I have maybe found the correct solution to our conundrum:

Maybe the resistance granted to the unique monsters from their respective mods (Spectral Hit / Cold Enchanted / Magic Resistance) come AFTER the Cold Mastery's resistance reduction is applied in the mathcraft.
This would mean that Cold Mastery is applied to the base resistance of the monster, and then the + X res from Spectral Hit / Cold Enchanted / Magic Resistance is added.

So THAT'S WHY IT APPEARS like Cold Mastery is so impotent....

Wow... Good job, Blizzard... ~_~
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You didn't found anything, I brought it to you. Read the name backward on the other website you are using. :lol:

Edit: Original contribution =/= clearing your assumption

This post was edited by Germain on Jun 14 2022 04:00am
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