I never started talking about religion. You did Therefore I was not "yapping" about this topic at all.

I strongly doubt I think more about god than a Christian, and if that's the case it shows how irrelevant god is for Christians. Either way you have zero merits.

Haha "creations" are proof of god? You make me laugh. Again, only science has the answers to how your body works, not your bible dummy. You go to a doctor and not to a priest if you are sick. It is called "belief" for a reason otherwise it would be facts or theory. You dont look at a 3090Ti and thank jesus he made it for us.

"if you believe that some day science will prove some kind of "naturalistic process" then that is your faith/ religion" - what a dumb statement. Science is explaining things around us. Literally everything around us. So yes they have most of the answers already and it has nothing to do with faith/religion.

"why do you believe anything any way? an atheist/antitheist that believes stuff has no clue what their belief is. " - Again, I don't have beliefs in an invisible almighty being that controls everything without being detected. You can do as much mental gymnastic as you want.

You are aware that "love" is a chemical reaction but not a random one? It has already been explained by science... And an atheist can still love without believing in a god. I am an atheist and I love my gf. I know its pretty unheard of where you come from.

At the end of the day science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence.
Religion on the other hand is the belief in and worship of a god.

This post was edited by FantasyWorldII on Jun 23 2022 11:04pm

(if you are going to claim to be a scientific person then its time to get ready for the idea of God/creator instead of bullchit like "the aliens did it")

In the early days of science, science was defined as the search for truth where ever it may lead. Anti theists in their arrogance and pride assumed they would get rid of God this way. This has completely failed. So in the spirit of rebellion the definition has been changed to "the study of the natural and physical world ONLY" attempting to remove God by force of new definition. But wait? Has there been a oversight?
The bible ,undeniably, is in the natural and physical world, ok? let us apply the scientific method (observation,experimentation/testable,repeatable) to it and attempt to summarize it.

We see the bible........... observation
We test the word, become convinced, repent and become christian..... experimentation
Happens every generation..........repeatable

The bible is a collection of 66 books written over a period of approximately 1400-1500 years in 3 different languages across 3 continents by over 40 different authors from every walk of life (from a kings throne to prison cell). Most of whom never knew each other and many of which died a horrible death rather than deny their faith. With no historical errors or contradictions, coming together in one single unified harmonious message.

The creation, fall and redemption
Gods universal love for all humanity
A common message of salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all their heart, soul, strength and mind.
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Two possible conclusions

1. impossible that it is a merely a man made construct there fore super natural and hard evidence for God.


2. if written by by a bunch of ignorant goat herders as the anti theists like to scoff then the anti theist has been superbly trounced by so called ignorant goat herders and lose all credibility therefore we are back to conclusion number one.?

This post was edited by TiStuff on Jun 24 2022 04:37am

you grow more and more nuts with every post and im here for it

Our founding fathers disagree, as do I.

You are the dumbest person alive. You started the topic by asking:
"you really believe that stuff is the result of some kind of accidental naturalistic process?"
Which started the discussion. Go check previous comments. Once you did that come back.

This in itself is a neutral thing.

When guns are being used to kill bad people or to prevent them from harming good people, it's a good thing. When they are being used to fend off the agents of a government that has gone tyrannical, it's also a good thing.

humans are cattle for aliens. cattle are cattle for humans.You'd be living in something like hell or the apoc. Good questions start w/ how did consciousness get trapped in this tormentful dream like state.
If good was stronger or winning it would refuse to allow for other good to be tortured or persecuted the same way you'd probably protect your pets well if they were suffering. that assumption that people deserve the suffering is where many christians loose aetheists and where christians take a blind eye.

That would be to say if its a fallen condition like you mention then a most poweful & benevolent god according to bible cannot give his creation more than it can tolerate(bare), so if one is tormented past their capacity then bible theology has made a contradiction and would appear to be incongruent.
You can explain that data many ways including that scripture has been doctored or altered, the NIV is distributed by porn publishersand bible also doesnt usually contain any images.
The kicker is that if the bible was more explanatory it also probably wouldnt exist, think in terms of censorship there.

So, bible is good at explaining complexity if you do the mental gymnastics beforehand, its very bad at explaining simple because there's other simple explanations as well.
the scam of faith or belief is giving up rationality because the bible showed signs of explaining the world around. Imo believing in the bible is alot like trusting a girl you just met but to say you have that girl figured out, well thats alot like prophecy but that doesnt mean she treats you well in return.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Jun 24 2022 09:03pm

do you?

Yes i believe that however what you call accidental is not as accidental/random as you think.

Evolution is actually the non-random survival of randomly occurring variations.

We have found literally evidence of the remains of what came before humans and its slow transitions.

If evidence is not enough for you to even consider that god may not be needed to explain life then noone can help you.

Not adjudged. Accused.