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May 23 2022 07:53am
Quote (Goomshill @ 23 May 2022 06:28)
predictably, white house is already in damage control and trying to walk it back;

" There is no change in U.S. policy towards Taiwan, a White House official said on Monday, after President Joe Biden earlier signalled a willingness to use force to defend the island nation if it came under attack.
"As the President said, our policy has not changed," said the White House official, who declined to be named.
"He reiterated our One China Policy and our commitment to peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait. He also reiterated our commitment under the Taiwan Relations Act to provide Taiwan with the military means to defend itself."
and per their official statement, someone tried to add in a line to defuse it;
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/23/japan-u-s-joint-leaders-statement-strengthening-the-free-and-open-international-order/
" Prime Minister Kishida and President Biden stated that their basic positions on Taiwan remain unchanged, and reiterated the importance of peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait as an indispensable element in security and prosperity in the international community. "


The whole point of this meeting with Japan was to try to cajole China into rebuking Russia, and Joe Biden just gave China reason to side with Russia

:ph34r: they let biden sleep and retracted his entire rant kekw
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May 23 2022 07:54am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 23 2022 08:31am)
If you are putting all the Semiconductor production in Taiwan from the start it already show how ridiculously stupid you are when you know China will try to take back Taiwan sooner or later either by force or Soft power.
Why you don't have those production spread out in Europe, Japan , South Korea, South East Asia and in the USA in the first place.


It's a private company that manufactures these things, not governments.

There is one other major semiconductor manufacturer in South Korea, and further investment is being made to start new modern operations in other countries, but these are multi hundred billion dollar operations on the cutting edge. It's not an easy task to just relocate them.
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May 23 2022 08:02am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 23 2022 06:16am)
For anyone not versed in geopolitics: this is a colossal gaffe that guarantees a chinese reaction.
The US has had a policy of strategic ambiguity for decades, intending to defend taiwan but not saying it out loud so it wouldn't provoke or embarrass china

Joe biden just stepped on a fucking land mine, an easily avoided mess with China. And now its going to boil down to China's willingness to give him a pass with their understanding of what a feeble and inept old geezer he is
that's where we are as a country right now.


lmao

Your stance with Russia: be aggressive, show American strength. Threaten war. Be intimidating.
Your stance with China: Why would you be aggressive? show American strength? Threaten war? Be intimidating?

Interesting. Which is it brah
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May 23 2022 08:10am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 23 May 2022 21:54)
It's a private company that manufactures these things, not governments.

There is one other major semiconductor manufacturer in South Korea, and further investment is being made to start new modern operations in other countries, but these are multi hundred billion dollar operations on the cutting edge. It's not an easy task to just relocate them.


RCA sold and shared technology back in the 70s to Taiwan. The Americans are just not that smart with this.
And you are right , its not a easy task to relocate. And if you do and try to relocate you will take away Taiwanese jobs. And please take note, for all the pomp that Sauci posted this thread. I think Frenchie forget the fact that , there are large number of Taiwanese that want to reunite with China. A larger number wants to maintain Status Quo and a not significantly large group of people who wants independence.

The current government is "Pro US" but that doesn't mean they will not be voted out. So the key is, will China invade Taiwan. No they won't. So when will China invade Taiwan? Well if we look at how the US is playing with Ukraine then perhaps if certain conditions are met, China might invade Taiwan.
And when that happens will the Taiwanese surrender without a fight ? Well with weapons they might fight a bit , but they won't last long.
Please take note that there is a large number of Anti American Sentiments in Taiwan. You are not only fighting an invader, your own people will fight your pro American government as well.

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May 23 2022 08:13am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 23 2022 08:54am)
It's a private company that manufactures these things, not governments.

There is one other major semiconductor manufacturer in South Korea, and further investment is being made to start new modern operations in other countries, but these are multi hundred billion dollar operations on the cutting edge. It's not an easy task to just relocate them.


Are you going to ignore the environmental/water issues manufacturing these cause?
This is the real reason production is limited.
No one wants it done where they live.
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May 23 2022 08:19am
Quote (sirthom @ 23 May 2022 22:13)
Are you going to ignore the environmental/water issues manufacturing these cause?
This is the real reason production is limited.
No one wants it done where they live.


exactly.
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May 23 2022 08:37am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 23 2022 10:10am)
RCA sold and shared technology back in the 70s to Taiwan. The Americans are just not that smart with this.
And you are right , its not a easy task to relocate. And if you do and try to relocate you will take away Taiwanese jobs. And please take note, for all the pomp that Sauci posted this thread. I think Frenchie forget the fact that , there are large number of Taiwanese that want to reunite with China. A larger number wants to maintain Status Quo and a not significantly large group of people who wants independence.

The current government is "Pro US" but that doesn't mean they will not be voted out. So the key is, will China invade Taiwan. No they won't. So when will China invade Taiwan? Well if we look at how the US is playing with Ukraine then perhaps if certain conditions are met, China might invade Taiwan.
And when that happens will the Taiwanese surrender without a fight ? Well with weapons they might fight a bit , but they won't last long.
Please take note that there is a large number of Anti American Sentiments in Taiwan. You are not only fighting an invader, your own people will fight your pro American government as well.


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In a Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation poll conducted in June 2020, 54% of respondents supported de jure independence for Taiwan, 23.4% preferred maintaining the status quo, 12.5% favored unification with China, and 10% did not hold any particular view on the matter. This represented the highest level of support for Taiwanese independence since the survey was first conducted in 1991.[69]


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In an opinion poll conducted in Taiwan by the Mainland Affairs Council in 2019, 27.7% of respondents supported Taiwan's independence: 21.7% said that the status quo has to be maintained for now but Taiwan should become independent in the future, while 6% said that independence must be declared as soon as possible. 31% of respondents supported the current situation as it is, and 10.3% agreed to unification with the mainland with 1.4% saying that it should happen as soon as possible.[68]


It's a complicated issue, so wording has a big impact, but support for unification under CCP leadership is incredibly small.
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May 23 2022 08:46am
Quote (bogie160 @ 23 May 2022 22:37)
It's a complicated issue, so wording has a big impact, but support for unification under CCP leadership is incredibly small.


Its actually a sizable number.
Those that want maintain status quo belongs to the large majority.
Those that want " independence" are not more than those that want reunification.
But those that want reunification will slowly die out within the next 20 to 30 years because they are from the older generation.
At the same point of time does that want independence will not increase in a significant number as well.
You might get a chance to see those that want independence and might think it is a significant number, but that is what a lot of western media will show you.
When watching MSM, try to look in between the lines at what is reported.
A decent grasp of geo political issues will allow you to pierce through the fog of propaganda.

Opinion poll also means nothing when they are controlled by the DPP.


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May 23 2022 08:57am
Quote (penguinhero @ May 23 2022 09:02am)
lmao

Your stance with Russia: be aggressive, show American strength. Threaten war. Be intimidating.
Your stance with China: Why would you be aggressive? show American strength? Threaten war? Be intimidating?

Interesting. Which is it brah


In both cases, Joe Biden's approach is the worst possible one: schizophrenia

Joe Biden backs a pro-western coup in Ukraine, then when Russia builds forces on the border Biden vows he won't respond militarily and won't risk confrontation with Russia, then when Russia does invade he backs Ukraine militarily and constantly threatens confrontation with Russia and puts us on the brink of nuclear war. He threatens to assassinate Putin and his staff walks back the comment. We say we sank Russian warships, then we say no we didn't. We say we'll send long range missiles to Ukraine, then we say we won't. We say we'll send aircraft to Ukraine, then we won't.
And what's the first word's out of Biden's mouth on his big foreign policy trip to Asia to confront China? We will send our military to defend Taiwan. Except no we won't. Except nothing changed, we're still ambiguous except we just made an unambiguous declaration.

The only constant is Biden's mental degradation and graduation from harmless foot-in-mouth gaffes to total inability to carry out basic diplomatic functions
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May 23 2022 09:02am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 23 2022 02:15am)
Joe Biden assures that the United States will defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion

The American president made these statements at a joint press conference with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.

"This is the commitment we made." Joe Biden warned, on Monday, May 23 from Tokyo on Monday, that the United States would militarily defend Taiwan if Beijing invaded the autonomous island.
The American president responded, at a common press conference with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, to a question on a possible American military intervention against a Chinese attempt to seize this territory by force.

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"We agreed with the policy of a single China, we signed it (...) but the idea that [Taiwan] could be taken by force is simply not appropriate"

Fumio Kishida said that Japan and the United States were going to "monitor the recent activities of the Chinese navy, as well as the movements linked to the joint exercises of China and Russia". "We firmly oppose attempts to change the status quo by force at the Eastern China Sea and in the South China Sea," he added.

:thumbsup: Great


I don't understand the French. Is World War III, a shooting war between nuclear armed powers, really that appealing for you? I think it must be that whole obsession with sex and death that the French are always on about.

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Also not 100% on which side American corporations and the power elite would fall on in a war between China and America.

This post was edited by PlasmaSnake101 on May 23 2022 09:05am
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