Quote (4ndr3as @ May 11 2022 08:00am)

That's not how QD works

It's pretty much a % chance to avoid the delay completely /doing a double hit

Quote (TGHodin @ May 11 2022 12:00pm)

Doesn’t seem impossible to calculate this?

Reg weapon: delay 1, damage 10 = DPS 10/1=10
Heavy weapon: delay 1.8, damage 20 = DPS = 11.1

QD on heavy:
QD 44.5%
Delay 1.8
Adjusted average delay (1.8*(1-0.445)) = 1
Average adjusted DPS = 20.02

Solve quick drawn percentage (44.5%) to find the breakeven point at which a heavy weapon on average attacks 1 per second?

Awaiting math geniouses and people with better understanding of game mechanics to explain :D

Quote (Matthi @ May 11 2022 12:58pm)

that would only be true if QD completely removes the delay to 0sec and if you're actually able to do your 2nd attack after QD with a 0sec delay

i don't know if QD removes the delay completely, but even if that's the case you'll still not be able to hit with a 0sec delay

so it varies from player to player how much QD you need to get close to a normal weapon speed; not to mention that heavy weapons are also overkilling monsters way more than normal weapons, and that you'll have a harder time getting in your multi monster abilities in group climbs due to the delay at the beginning of waves; the game would really need an information about effective dmg and overall dmg; high total dmg in a climb doesn't really say much if half your dmg is from overkills


if the numbers from izParagonzi are true and QD removes 75% of the delay then you would need 100% QD to reach normal weapon speed

Quote (Matthi @ May 11 2022 06:58am)

that would only be true if QD completely removes the delay to 0sec and if you're actually able to do your 2nd attack after QD with a 0sec delay

i don't know if QD removes the delay completely, but even if that's the case you'll still not be able to hit with a 0sec delay

so it varies from player to player how much QD you need to get close to a normal weapon speed; not to mention that heavy weapons are also overkilling monsters way more than normal weapons, and that you'll have a harder time getting in your multi monster abilities in group climbs due to the delay at the beginning of waves; the game would really need an information about effective dmg and overall dmg; high total dmg in a climb doesn't really say much if half your dmg is from overkills (but that's more the question about how effective heavy weapons are and not how fast they are :D sorry for offtopic)


if the numbers from izParagonzi are true and QD removes 75% of the delay then you would need 100% QD to reach normal weapon speed

Quote (Matthi @ May 11 2022 11:58am)

if the numbers from izParagonzi are true and QD removes 75% of the delay then you would need 100% QD to reach normal weapon speed

Quote (Bigheaded @ May 11 2022 01:12pm)

100% QD on heavies would be significantly faster than 0% with normal weapons
-75% means 4 times faster. so 1.8 seconds/4 = attacking every 0.45 seconds. As "quickdraw chaining" is a thing where you quickdraw immediately after hitting with quickdraw, so 100% means you infinitely chain quickdraw hits

The calculator which i made does calculate QD correctly with Alex and a few others could see no issue with the calc either: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91874826&f=74&v=1

All i can say is, QD is being sold way too cheap atm, that 40 dex 8 QD leather should have hit 10k+ imo as that was ~64 dex for the majority of players.
Depends how good your other gear is, Crit/QD have more value the more stats you already have, so using 2x 12% QD items will probably lose in damage to using 2x 25 dex/str items

Quote (Bigheaded @ May 11 2022 11:12pm)

100% QD on heavies would be significantly faster than 0% with normal weapons
-75% means 4 times faster. so 1.8 seconds/4 = attacking every 0.45 seconds. As "quickdraw chaining" is a thing where you quickdraw immediately after hitting with quickdraw, so 100% means you infinitely chain quickdraw hits

The calculator which i made does calculate QD correctly with Alex and a few others could see no issue with the calc either: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=91874826&f=74&v=1

All i can say is, QD is being sold way too cheap atm, that 40 dex 8 QD leather should have hit 10k+ imo as that was ~64 dex for the majority of players.
Depends how good your other gear is, Crit/QD have more value the more stats you already have, so using 2x 12% QD items will probably lose in damage to using 2x 25 dex/str items