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Jun 9 2023 12:26pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 9 Jun 2023 20:21)
Pro-Ukraine account that has been somewhat objective since the war started reporting on some of the losses in the last few days of Zap offensive
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1667152558454894592
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Take care about Pro-russian trash trying to pass off recirculated footage of the same column being hit as "new" footage...
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Jun 9 2023 12:27pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 9 2023 08:21pm)
Pro-Ukraine account that has been somewhat objective since the war started reporting on some of the losses in the last few days of Zap offensive

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1667152558454894592

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Decent analysis here, guy digs up a lot of information including units involved on both sides (and makes fun of both Russian and Ukrainian propaganda)




you should check it out too, you can see what happened to the Western vehicles you were cheering about and the Ukrainian counter offensives using those vehicles.


Quote (Santara @ Jun 9 2023 03:49am)
This is the tank as shown in your video:


A whole lot of destroyed Ukrainian Western vehicles you mean?
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Jun 9 2023 12:29pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 08:23pm)
So how is the Ukraine counteroffensive going?

I see the MSM has shifted into GET TRUMP mode again so I'm assuming not well, but would like someone to fill me in


Check video above
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Jun 9 2023 12:29pm
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Take care about Pro-russian trash trying to pass off recirculated footage of the same column being hit as "new" footage...


The guy is a well known pro-Ukrainian account with 150+k followers. Maybe there's a link you can dig up to divert attention from facts you don't like?
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Jun 9 2023 12:31pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 9 2023 08:29pm)
The guy is a well known pro-Ukrainian account with 150+k followers. Maybe there's a link you can dig up to divert attention from facts you don't like?


Julian röpcke also known as jihadi julian has always been a US-propagandist by the way
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Jun 9 2023 12:31pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 9 2023 11:27am)
Decent analysis here, guy digs up a lot of information including units involved on both sides (and makes fun of both Russian and Ukrainian propaganda)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0iEe0nfWAo


^Meanwhile you should check it out too, you can see what happened to the Western vehicles you were cheering about and the Ukrainian counter offensives using those vehicles.




A whole lot of destroyed Ukrainian Western vehicles you mean?


Damn so it's really not looking good for Ukraine

This explains why Donald Trump is now the headline
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Jun 9 2023 12:38pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 02:31pm)
Damn so it's really not looking good for Ukraine

This explains why Donald Trump is now the headline


Modern warfare against an adequately prepared/equal enemy is hard. Biggest issue with the current counteroffensive in that direction is they have to basically ride through mine fields first. So after you manage to get through mine fields then you have waves of artillery targeting you. On top of that you have modern ATGM's like Kornets as well KA Alligators. Very difficult.

IMO typically air support would first target the defensive artillery positions but Ukraine doesn't have much of that which puts then at a huge disadvantage when trying to push.
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Jun 9 2023 12:44pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 9 2023 08:38pm)
Modern warfare against an adequately prepared/equal enemy is hard. Biggest issue with the current counteroffensive in that direction is they have to basically ride through mine fields first. So after you manage to get through mine fields then you have waves of artillery targeting you. On top of that you have modern ATGM's like Kornets as well KA Alligators. Very difficult.

IMO typically air support would first target the defensive artillery positions but Ukraine doesn't have much of that which puts then at a huge disadvantage when trying to push.


The last 7 days put into perspective what it means to carry out an offensive against Russian troops with high density + decent fortifications that have orders to fight no matter what.

The ukranian stratergy of abusing low density areas and playing defense at all other times was better long term + attrition.

This is speculation though, offensive hasn´t reached its conclusion yet (it has just started).

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jun 9 2023 12:50pm
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Jun 9 2023 12:49pm
Quote (Djunior @ 9 Jun 2023 20:27)
Decent analysis here, guy digs up a lot of information including units involved on both sides (and makes fun of both Russian and Ukrainian propaganda)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0iEe0nfWAo
^Meanwhile you should check it out too, you can see what happened to the Western vehicles you were cheering about and the Ukrainian counter offensives using those vehicles.
A whole lot of destroyed Ukrainian Western vehicles you mean?

Quote (ofthevoid @ 9 Jun 2023 20:29)
The guy is a well known pro-Ukrainian account with 150+k followers. Maybe there's a link you can dig up to divert attention from facts you don't like?


It was planned by Ukrainians to be silent for the counter offensive, yet we only have russian or pro-russian informations. Along with right wing hack influencers/youtubers.
It's never easy to attack defended positions, this said if it was that much a disaster I think we would see alot more footages, instead of the same with different angles...
Yet have to wait for a bigger picture.

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Jun 9 2023 12:49pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 9 2023 11:38am)
Modern warfare against an adequately prepared/equal enemy is hard. Biggest issue with the current counteroffensive in that direction is they have to basically ride through mine fields first. So after you manage to get through mine fields then you have waves of artillery targeting you. On top of that you have modern ATGM's like Kornets as well KA Alligators. Very difficult.

IMO typically air support would first target the defensive artillery positions but Ukraine doesn't have much of that which puts then at a huge disadvantage when trying to push.


Yeah this seems to be the case with modern warfare. Modern conventional weapons are incredibly effective such that if both sides are well equipped no one can do a whole lot. Reminds me of WWI trench warfare
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