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SinsOfTheSun
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Jan 24 2022 09:35pm
Quote (ArcaneAscendant @ Jan 24 2022 10:29pm)
Hoto +3
Spirit +2

So its 4 vs 5 not 4 vs 6



You wont make obsession in a plain staff
3mastery/3mainSkill
So its 7 vs 5 (yep not 4 vs 6)
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Jan 24 2022 09:38pm
Using eschuta for comparison...enough said.
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Jan 24 2022 09:38pm
Quote (Lentil @ Jan 24 2022 09:38pm)
Using eschuta for comparison...enough said.



I know. Even Eschutas is better.

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Jan 24 2022 09:39pm
Obsession was basically made for Nova and any caster that wants a tanky 2H caster weapon option

We now have a viable staff option that is arguably on par with hoto/spirit/ all that "end game" shit

I like it.
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Jan 24 2022 09:40pm
Quote (AngelsAbove @ Jan 24 2022 09:39pm)
Obsession was basically made for Nova and any caster that wants a tanky 2H caster weapon option

We now have a viable staff option that is arguably on par with hoto/spirit/ all that "end game" shit

I like it.



I’m happy that an item worse than common items makes you happy.

The bar is extremely low for blizzard due to people like you that are clueless. And because of this, blizzard thinks it’s doing a good job.
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Quote (Overpriced @ Jan 24 2022 07:40pm)
I’m happy that an item worse than common items makes you happy.

The bar is extremely low for blizzard due to people like you that are clueless. And because of this, blizzard thinks it’s doing a good job.


>~50% DR curse + 50% character DR stack (<godly, even for energy shield and telekenesis 75% conversion etc)
>no str for monarch shield investment
>+25% Life
>BIG FHR
>BIG RES
>+7 Nova
+65% FCR



You sound extremely hurt and upset, man.

This post was edited by AngelsAbove on Jan 24 2022 09:49pm
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Quote (AngelsAbove @ Jan 24 2022 09:44pm)
>~50% DR + 50% character DR stack
>no str for shield investment
>+25% Life
>FHR
>RES
>+7 Nova
+65% FCR



You sound extremely hurt and upset, man.



Extremely analytical.
SinsOfTheSun
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Jan 24 2022 10:15pm
Quote (AngelsAbove @ Jan 24 2022 10:44pm)
>~50% DR curse + 50% character DR stack (<godly, even for energy shield and telekenesis 75% conversion etc)
>no str for monarch shield investment
>+25% Life
>BIG FHR
>BIG RES
>+7 Nova
+65% FCR



You sound extremely hurt and upset, man.



Its 42%dr
But other than that you’re correct

Obsession gives 2 more skills vs eshuta/spirit
Those 2 extra skills = same dmg than the 20-25% given by eschutas, but gives also 2 more points in the skill used.

According to Overprice he use both a facet and a perfect rare jewel with defensive stats at the same time in his 2os perfect eschuta that sometimes suddenly morph into a hoto
(thats how he like to compare the maximum he can get from both a defensive setup and an offensive setup but at the same time vs obsession that always offers great offensive & defensive stats)

Now is this gg jewel able to compensate for the
175% total bonus individual res (70@ vs 35 to 3 res)
42%dr
5%fhr (60 vs 55)
25% max hp
30%mf (ist)
75%gf (lem)
Extra bonuses from obsession compared to eschuta/spirit
/then we have 20 total stats vs 22 vita from spirit
The only argument so far is “mana cost oh noes I dont wanna use pots!!”
(Yet 10 energy and 30% regen is giving faster mana regen than the ~100 mana from spirit)
Im still waiting for his maths

Fun fact?
The better item cost like 10% of the price of the perfect multiple setups that can nearly imitate its stats if you swap to adapt at every situation (still its always weaker in the end no matter how you adapted in all situations)

So yeah… on one side we have the “pros” who are afraid of mana pots, who have unlimited budget and are willing to always swap setups, that only pvp
And on the other side we have to “noobs” who play both pvm and pvp and simply say : hey will you look at that? This cheap item is kinda good?

Sadly the “pros” are always right and we can’t argue with these “facts” that they dont wanna tell us
Keep those maths for yourself I guess, I’ll stop trying to help ya open your eyes

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Jan 24 2022 10:19pm
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Jan 24 2022 10:23pm
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ 24 Jan 2022 22:15)
Its 42%dr
But other than that you’re correct

Obsession gives 2 more skills vs eshuta/spirit
Those 2 extra skills = same dmg than the 20-25% given by eschutas, but gives also 2 more points in the skill used.

According to Overprice he use both a facet and a perfect rare jewel with defensive stats at the same time in his 2os perfect eschuta that sometimes suddenly morph into a hoto
(thats how he like to compare the maximum he can get from both a defensive setup and an offensive setup but at the same time vs obsession that always offers great offensive & defensive stats)

Now is this gg jewel able to compensate for the
175% total bonus individual res (70@ vs 35 to 3 res)
42%dr
5%fhr (60 vs 55)
25% max hp
30%mf (ist)
75%gf (lem)
/then we have 20 total stats vs 22 vita from spirit
The only argument so far is “mana cost oh noes I dont wanna use pots!!”

Extra bonuses given by obsession while also maintaining a dmg advantage?
Im still waiting for his maths

Fun fact?
The better item cost like 10% of the price of the perfect multiple setups that can nearly imitate its stats if you swap to adapt at every situation (still its always weaker in the end no matter how you adapted in all situations)

So yeah… on one side we have the “pros” who are afraid of mana pots, who have unlimited budget and are willing to always swap setups, that only pvp
And on the other side we have to “noobs” who play both pvm and pvp and simply say : hey will you look at that? This cheap item is kinda good?

Sadly the “pros” are always right and we can’t argue with these “facts” that they dont wanna tell us
Keep those maths for yourself I guess, I’ll stop trying to help ya open your eyes


if you want budget pvm gear, use occy and spirit lol. its only slightly worse for WAY cheaper and more mf

IF this staff ends up being good, the base alone will make it absolutely not budget, so it makes sense to compare it high end setups.
its worse than high end setups. not so much worse that its un-usable, and a sorc rocking a staff does sound cool, but its worse

its ALMOST good enough, but needs like -10 to -15 enemy res, or 5 more fcr, cbf, idk SOMETHING else
SinsOfTheSun
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Jan 24 2022 10:26pm
Quote (Bugeater @ Jan 24 2022 11:23pm)
if you want budget pvm gear, use occy and spirit lol. its only slightly worse for WAY cheaper and more mf

IF this staff ends up being good, the base alone will make it absolutely not budget, so it makes sense to compare it high end setups.
its worse than high end setups. not so much worse that its un-usable, and a sorc rocking a staff does sound cool, but its worse

its ALMOST good enough, but needs like -10 to -15 enemy res, or 5 more fcr, cbf, idk SOMETHING else



Wheres your maths buddy?
I compared all stats up there
Obsession gives more of everything for the only cost of 10fcr

The staff is super easy to find, run cows with a 0mf javazon and just pick those white staff. I find a decent one every run
I already stashed a 3light mastery/3nova the day the patch came out
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