I have tested QD before and a total of 24+%.

Since I was using Heavy Weapons I chose NOT to go above 20% while having "Auto Click" enabled since a QD attack can interrupt clicking the Door to exit catacomb. I am guessing that this will also happen with Auto Click off, or it will cancel out continuous QDs.

QD if I remember correctly; increases your attack speed by 50%, example of the old 2 sec delay for heavy weapons, it would be 1 sec delay (this was before 1.8 delay update to Heavy weapons).

Basically each successful hit check will let your next attack be faster (i.e. 0.5 sec delay [normal] & 0.9 sec delay [heavy], sometimes you can get up to 10 hit checks in a row, you are best to test this out vs Sneaky and having your "Auto Click" enabled. You can also watch Pulfagore doing multiple QD attacks on you while healing yourself.

I have done this before... there is no real magic formula other than a successful hit check, it is random.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 17 2022 06:13pm

I already linked the topic earlier in the topic which showed the 1.8 sec update as well as QD increasing attack speed by 75% instead of 50%: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=79246498&f=272
You also only confirmed what others have said about chaining QD's being possible. I have all the information i need on QD for the moment.

Well then, you better make sure you include the fact that 20% + Quick Draw while "Auto Click (Action)" is enabled, it can interfere with Exiting catacomb, basically you have to switch from Melee to Heal or cast charm to cancel it out and spam the door. This is important for Hardcore players especially.

EDIT: oh btw, I tested this out before the 75% increase to heavy weapon speed using QD, so it maybe more of a nuisance.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jan 18 2022 05:00pm

Would you be working on "Average" damage per second based on weapon type (including the stats/ee/ranks etc)?
How would you add in QD with damage per second? (just trying to get an understanding other than X% QD could be 0.5 sec)

I believe you have a good basis to work out Critical Hit checks based on stats alone, as for items with Critical Strike, I think Meridius has a basis to his previous testing with items or BWComformity.

Spoken with Brad, there's not really been any real attempt to figure out how it's calculated.
But yes, basically it's a case of putting everyones tests into a spreadsheet and attempting to figure out similarities, my guess is the damage ratio's are again significant as well as the amount of stats.


The main issue with my quickdraw calculation is it presumes you use the quickdraw every time it triggers, so 100% quickdraw would be attacking 4 times as fast and therefore 4 times as much damage. In reality this isn't going to be the case as you can't change mob at the precise timings needed, thinking about it i'm not 100% sure if you can chain it from one mob from another, from memory i think you can but could be wrong.
However all damage per second calculations are based off of perfect actions and this is never going to happen except for bots and in that case you'd be banned ^^ But i can't really input a number of how inefficient each person is. So makes sense to just state the theoretical maximum numbers



I have no reason to include anything about interfering with exiting catacomb, this is a damage calc not a guide on how to use QD.

Guessing this paragraph is in relation to Critical Strike. Early in the Crit Strike thread, there was mention to Critical Strike having a similar effect as X number of Stats (Dex for example using Sword / Staff / Long Sword & Polearms), there will be a difference with Daggers / Clubs / Spear & Warhammers since during the tests there was speculation that Critical Hit checks were less noticeable, as for Axe / Battleaxe, it may change again, maybe based on how high one of the stats are. Let me know if you have a "Testing Criteria" (method) to test further.




You can chain it from one mob to another, I have seen this done using Heavy Weapons only, and when QD was only 50% increased speed. You would most likely get more information using Heavy weapons with QD, and you can test with "Auto Action" enabled & disabled. Not sure how effective "spam" clicking will get you though.




Correct on damage calculator and it may seem trivial or not needed, but, for those players that solo (either core) and USE your calculator, should be informed (maybe just a note). And yes I am aware that there aren't many great items that also have high QD%. Note... just a thought for you to either think on it more, or disregard it completely.

i guess i have to correct here. QD is cutting the delay between attacks into half just once. so QD hits always have the same speed and don't multiply the effect. So aQD hit can't reduce the attack speed from a previous QD hit again.

yes i'm aware. the 1 sec to .25 secs is a standard weapon, suppose i could have made it clearer, anyway at the moment i've lost a bit of interest in this mostly due to critical strike being the next stage and that's going to be a nightmare.
Thanks again for your assistance.



Would like clarification here, this link specifically states it's reduced by 75% which is the value i'm using: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=79246498&f=272

I have no reason to believe this value got updated back to 50% however if enough testing is done to suggest the value is 50% again i can change the formulas.


At this precise moment i'm not in the mood to modify the first posts link, so this is the current sheet which includes:
3 separate Damage calculations - Done
EE cap - Done
proficiency - Done
Damage per second calculations: in progress. Need CS/Mind numb/AP etc to get final numbers.
Power shot - Done
Quick Draw - More testing needed, the testers who've used it seem to agree the formula is working correctly, i've not simplified the formula yet as i think it's not ideal in it's current format.

Critical Strike - Not started.
Mind Numb - Not started.
Armor Pierce - Not started.

link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RDkoYfhQSyWW0KNRYTAWZRLxVfeYGgj-nwqOwtgtSOs/edit#gid=0



not a problem, thanks for letting me know, will continue presuming 75% reduction is correct

This post was edited by Bigheaded on Jan 23 2022 07:42am

I wasn't aware of the change...

Critical Strike:

Following is just speculation, Critical Strike (CS) increases your chance to deal double damage. Charms & Weapons benefit from this Mod.

Charm damage is only based on one(1) stat: Intelligence. This stat increases damage.
Weapon damage is based on two(2) stat(s): Strength or Dexterity, and the consensus is that Critical Hit chance is based on OFF of the lower stat ratio (75/25... 25/75... 90/10... 10/90... etc) from previous testing, and also the # of CS = X amount of so-n-so stat.

I think for testing, it is better to just use charms and the mod CS to give you more of a decisive answer.