Quote (BWConformity @ 12 Apr 2021 20:13)
This was a little tl for me and I didn't r, but...
I do believe it is possible to get a lvl 55 item to drop on a lvl 25 map with no level cap without any event properties, but there are a few conditions that should need to be met. When calculating what should be able to drop, I have often been off by 1 tier (conservatively) because almost all of my testing is solo. However, there is an item quality (level) bonus for drops in multiplayer games that goes beyond what can be expected by increased monster level spread alone (since the latter mechanic would still not allow monsters to go over the cap in a map, unlike in catacombs).
The conditions should be:
1) 4 or 5 player group. I think 3 player group would still be too small to get enough of a boost to go beyond tier XIII
2) Driver near the monster level cap of the map. I believe that I've never seen 1 tier above expected where the driver was more than 6 levels below the level requirement of the drop.
3) Extreme luck. Out of quite a lot of mapping adventures I've done, I've only ever been surprised by the tier dropping outside of my expectations a handful of times. It's possible that some of the people I've run with remember those times because I would have freaked out in chat saying something like "THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE!!" or "LOL 1 TIER HIGHER THAN MAX?"
Sorry, I realize that this is just one of those topics where we make fun of Rex for being so wrong about something so obvious, and then he fights back with completely irrelevant arguments because he just loves arguing and making us upset... but yeah I think he is right here, at least a little, whether he really knows it or not :P
Yeah, but Rex and I are both solo players so that is what we are talking about. I can’t say anything about what is possible in groups, it could very well be possible that it can happen then. I can’t say anything about that since I only solo. I don’t think that it would be super likely even in a 5 man group, I have not tried it out though so I can’t say anything about what will happen then. But yeah, I don’t think that is what we were talking about so I stand by with what I previously said that a lvl 25 map cannot drop lvl 55 items. I would love to be proven wrong though, at which point I would change my opinion on it.
It might be possible if you first explored a td and then had the effect carry over, that doesn’t mean that level 25 maps can drop lvl 55 items. That is an exception to the rule. That doesn't mean that it is possible for 55s to drop in 25 maps.
Can 55s drop in a 25 map if you are playing solo, no chance in hell. Simply won't happen. I would love to be proven wrong on that one. I don't think that they can. 25 maps on their own can't drop 55s.
Would you also say that lvl 30 items can also drop at lvl 21? I would say that it is very unlikely, but it can happen if you do some very specific things. Anything can happen if you do the right things. The above can however not happen under any circumstances whatsoever. I would love to be proven wrong. I mean, it's not that hard to do it, you should easily be able to do it.