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Dec 5 2020 06:01pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 5 2020 05:02pm)
Bleh. If we could rule out all risks after just 9 months of trials, why are standard approval procedures leading to a timeline of around 5 years before a new vaccine gets greenlighted? Why has there never been a new vaccine which was developed and approved in less than 4 years?

The remaining risks aren't huge, and for people from a risk group, the obvious recommendation is "take the damn vaccine". But that's beside the point. The easy to see truth is that the governments of the world are willingly taking some small tail risk with these rushed vaccines because that's the lesser evil, compared to the death toll and economic damage caused by the pandemic with every passing month. And it's the right call, I agree with it. If I was a world leader, I would do the same. I just think that it would be hugely intellectually dishonest to deny that such a tradeoff exists; and that the tradeoff might not be as clear cut on a personal level as it is on the societal level.



The key question is: how rare are these types of long-term effects in young healthy patients? They can't be common, if they were, the world would have noticed by now.


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They are common enough where the world HAS noticed and all covid recovered are recommending imaging at 6 month down the line if any symptoms. As far as rates it’s too early to say, it’s not negligible which is why the armed forces are not taking any recruits who have had covid.

I hear your point. My point is you cannot be simultaneously complaining of getting back to normalcy but also refuse therapeutics to aid in that effect. As if Remdesivir which has been completely accepted by population does not have side effects? Remdesivir is a toxic medication and I personally have patients that are seeing liver specialists months later due to liver damage. Everything in medicine is a trade off and a risk stratification. My point is the word “vaccine” causes unnecessary anxiety. It’s a safe bet that Remdesivir is objectively more toxic than any vaccine will be, despite how low the risk is with remdesivir for kidney/liver toxicity

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 5 2020 03:30pm)
Wasnt there a dystopia movie about this


Children of men?
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Dec 5 2020 07:31pm
i'll take don't want kids anyways :o also if die from the vaccine w.e cuz way world is right now sucks lockdowns left/right shit sucks balls...
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Quote (BernieSanders2020 @ Dec 5 2020 04:25pm)
US military will be forced to get it, so we will see what happens with them.


I'm sure I've had worse ones my first deployment.

I will let you guys know if it kills me.
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Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Dec 5 2020 05:15pm)
this is the first vaccine for which you/your family cannot press charges in case you get side effects such as autism or death or anything else.
that's all that was told regarding this topic


That's a supremely stupid thing to tell somebody.

In most cases you can't press charges if you get side effects. That's why there's informed consent. Unless there's a case of grievous oversight, like your physician knew you were allergic to something in the vaccine and should have alerted you AND never gave you the informed consent paperwork for you to read, then you wouldn't have ground to claim injury.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 6 2020 07:38am)
That's a supremely stupid thing to tell somebody.

In most cases you can't press charges if you get side effects. That's why there's informed consent. Unless there's a case of grievous oversight, like your physician knew you were allergic to something in the vaccine and should have alerted you AND never gave you the informed consent paperwork for you to read, then you wouldn't have ground to claim injury.


that's why vaccines with posssible side effects for which you sign written consent, are not mandatory and pushed to you as a must
and covid19 vaccine will be
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Dec 6 2020 04:37am
i wait they release it as suppository
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Dec 6 2020 07:04am
I personally think this new vaccine method seems much safer and would tend to less side effects in general. I also think this has helped speed up the process. No medically “purified”actual virus is needed. I feel pretty comfortable with it
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 5 2020 03:21pm)
The question is if healthy young men or women should risk taking it. They have, statistically speaking, little to fear if they catch covid, and a lot to lose if they become infertile due to a long-term complication from a vaccine whose long-term side effects were not tested. I'm not taking sides here, its a question everyone has to answer for himself; but I think it's a very valid question. After just 9 months of clinical trials, we simply cannot be 100% sure that there will be no long-term complications.


100% agree. Im all for vaccines. A rush job during Trumps administration, well, im good.
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Dec 6 2020 07:22am
i already have the vaccine
it's called not having diabetes and 200 lbs of extra weight
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