That's probably one of the biggest points we will be hearing about. Hoping sane minds will understand that he's referring to phasing out old industries, not just suddenly close all of big oil, by making them unnecessary with more efficient forms of energy. It's a little muddy because that part felt as though he is trying to reach left without stepping on too many toes, which usually just makes both sides of an issue upset rather than get behind it.

There were I think 3 moments where Biden rambled himself into a potentially bad talking point like you described. We'll see what the actual takeaway from people is over the next day or so. I don't think it was damaging enough to swing an election by any means, but it also wasn't progressive enough to make bernie or busters any more likely to turn up.

I'd say overall Biden made multiple attempts to reach everyone, as well as atleast pretend to have a thumb on the future. Which is a good look.

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I don't recall any clear statements about the future or what the next 4 years looks like from Trump. He needs to extend outside his shrinking base if he wants to stand a chance and it didn't seem atleast, like he made much of an effort to do that. Never addressed America just more hyper partisan rhetoric, responsibility denial, and science denial.

He had a few decent jabs, but his rambling nature made them come off as conspiracy rather than fact, and I think if he prepared them at all he could have made some actual coherent attacks. He wanted to switch to the Burisma stuff anytime he didn't know what to say, so he should have prepared that part better and went in with hard stances.

Trump needed a W, so I'm more in the camp that even in a tie he loses. A vague gesture along the lines of Americans coming together like adults in some way shape or form to deal with this virus would have gone a long way.

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Will rewatch and reanalyze it tonight though twice after work. Watched the last 3 events 3 times over each and this one was way more watchable. The goal at this point for Biden is just coasting and any necessary damage control. He doesn't need to pump numbers up much. The goal at this point for Trump is pumping numbers and appearing presidential. Will basically be looking for those moments where they make or break that goal.

This is far too ramble filled. The Trump Effect, many people are saying.

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how high is your blood pressure, friend?

Not big pp

YUGE pp

Doctor checked me out. I have the best health. Some doctors were even saying things like wow he's so healthy he shouldn't be that healthy he must have ox blood.

No really though I just really enjoy politics. Ever since I got into it in the real world 10 or so years ago.

This is why people outside of CA, AZ, NM, and TX should STFU about immigration. They don't have a clue.

Miami on suicide watch.

I'm from MN and I know full well what a coyote does.

i still think its not really fair for people to assume that every child brought to the border is brought by a coyote though. trump trying to say that they are all shitty and bad people.

but then he turns around and says that mexico is a shit hole country and that they should seek asylum there. jumbled man with jumbled thoughts.

Okay, but let's be real here: an actual parent being separated from their child vs a coyote being separated from his charge is what's being discussed, and people are acting like these 545 kids are the former when they're very likely the latter.