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Oct 22 2020 06:46pm
To reiterate on my previous post, take a look at this chart from fivethirtyeight:



Note how the polling data fed into their models does not produce a clear picture on whether the race is really close, with Biden currently on course to barely eke out a nail-biter victory, a comfortable Obama-2012 style victory, or whether he's heading toward an absolute landslide.

Such a huge variation in the data two weeks out from election day is NOT normal.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 22 2020 06:47pm
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Oct 22 2020 06:50pm
Quote (chemoshots @ Oct 22 2020 08:26pm)
two old guys being asked to stay up past 9 to argue
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Oct 22 2020 06:58pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 22 2020 07:07pm)
As far as I'm concerned, the election is already over. I really don't know what could possibly happen to change anything now given the number of votes cast.


What odds are you willing to give me?
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Oct 22 2020 06:59pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 22 2020 05:23pm)
You're imho making a big mistake if you dont take the wide spread in the polls into account. Yes, if we go by polling averages, the gap is probably too large. But this year, there is just a huge variation in the numbers between different pollsters. Just over the last 2 days, we've had one poll from A/B-rated pollster 'IBD/TIPP' (who btw nailed it in 2016) saying it's a 4-5 point race nationally, and at the same time A-rated SurveyUSA saying it's a 10 point race. Same story in Pennsylvania, where even the non-crapster polls range from Biden+3 to Biden+10.

Different pollsters are seeing a vastly different race/electorate this year, much more so than in previous cycles. If the better non-crapster polls for Trump turn out to be true (and I'm not talking about Trafalgar or Rasmussen here!), he's well within striking distance and only needs a normal-sized polling error in his favor to win the EC. Does that sound familiar? ;)

I still think that he's a big underdog, but his chances are definitely substantially greater than zero. Of course all of this is contingent on him holding it together in tonight's debate and not blowing it like last time.


There would have to be systematic polling error in A LOT of states with varying demographics. Undercounting the white vote in PA is VERY different than undercounting the white vote in AZ. My gut tells me that there's only about a 5% chance of winning the election without any funny business. It's possible but it's just extremely unlikely. Frankly, there's probably something systematic that the models are missing that will surprise everyone i.e. Gen Z turning out much higher than expected or Hispanics pulling for Trump in numbers similar to GWB. I think people focus too much on 2016 when evaluating 2020 when the landscape is very different.

Honestly, my biggest fear is a massive popular vote gap (5%+) and states throwing out ballots by following the law to the T.
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Oct 22 2020 07:01pm
Hopefully we can get some intelligible answers with everyone's mic cut when its not their turn.
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Oct 22 2020 07:03pm
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Oct 22 2020 07:04pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 22 2020 07:59pm)
There would have to be systematic polling error in A LOT of states with varying demographics. Undercounting the white vote in PA is VERY different than undercounting the white vote in AZ. My gut tells me that there's only about a 5% chance of winning the election without any funny business. It's possible but it's just extremely unlikely. Frankly, there's probably something systematic that the models are missing that will surprise everyone i.e. Gen Z turning out much higher than expected or Hispanics pulling for Trump in numbers similar to GWB. I think people focus too much on 2016 when evaluating 2020 when the landscape is very different.

Honestly, my biggest fear is a massive popular vote gap (5%+) and states throwing out ballots by following the law to the T.


Higher rate of ballot rejection for mailed in votes + higher mail in voter turnout = depressed Biden vote

Now add in some shenanigans with depressing the vote and getting more votes thrown out and the shit the GOP has been pulling like setting up fake drop off locations and you've got a storm where Trump barely wins an election and 60% of the country is PISSED at how he did it.
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Oct 22 2020 07:04pm
Odds on seeing Trump shouting into a muted microphone?
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Quote (WeaponTHPS @ Oct 22 2020 08:04pm)
Odds on seeing Trump shouting into a muted microphone?


99.9999999999999999999999999999%
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