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Oct 22 2020 02:54am


Dom's luzhsbshshshdbdbdjsjdnbfbfdnjd model

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Oct 22 2020 08:07am
0.5 wins bought for the habs? Just with Allen alone id say we got 7-10 more wins in a full season calendar
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Oct 22 2020 10:42am
Wonder what their methodology is for new 'wins' though.

But looks like Avs are probably the biggest winners according to this guy.
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Oct 22 2020 12:31pm
Advanced Stats don't seem to like Markstrom or Tanev.
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lolhabs

Quote (Hizkuntza @ Oct 22 2020 11:31am)
Advanced Stats don't seem to like Markstrom or Tanev.


Tanev's advanced stats haven't been good for a couple years now.

Markstrom's were probably good but negated by Holtby's.

And the Schmidt negated by all the other players we lost.
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Quote (Hizkuntza @ Oct 22 2020 12:31pm)
Advanced Stats don't seem to like Markstrom or Tanev.



These advanced stats clearly take Talbot > Markstrom and Hamonic > Tanev. Suspect.
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Quote (Nihility @ 22 Oct 2020 07:07)
0.5 wins bought for the habs? Just with Allen alone id say we got 7-10 more wins in a full season calendar


It's not literal "wins"

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As always, there are other variables that will decide how much better or worse a team is next season — team-wide regression, differing usage, breakouts, declines, lineups, rookies, luck, coaching — but this should still provide a solid framework for how much each team has changed on paper. For better or worse.

That’s what we’ll be looking at here as we measure how many wins a team added or subtracted from their roster to date based on their current lineup, while also paying attention to how much salary has been added or subtracted (though that figure will only take into account the players who were brought in or taken out, nothing else). As usual, value is determined using my model, Game Score Value Added.


his model explanation, although he improved it further by using expected goals for

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How the model works
It’s mostly outlined here in this FAQ posted before our 2017-18 projections, but basically it’s built at the player level using Game Score – a stat I adapted from basketball a few years ago. Working at the player level rather than the team level is one way that my model differs from others that are scaled via team performance only. It offers some challenges in terms of allocating proper credit, but has the advantage of being able to instantly factor for injuries and trades in ways a team-level model cannot.

Game Score is a linear weight model with the weights for each stat within it being derived according to the frequency of goals occurring from them and are as such:

Goals: 0.75
Primary Assists: 0.7
Secondary Assists: 0.55
Shots: 0.075
Blocks: 0.05
Penalty Differential: 0.15
Faceoff Differential: 0.01
5-on-5 Corsi Differential: 0.05
5-on-5 Goal Differential: 0.15

It uses data from each player’s last three seasons, with each component weighted by recency and regressed to the mean individually. That means that the weight for each prior season is different for goals than it is for shots or blocks (and different for forwards and defencemen), as is the regression factor. On top of that, there’s an age adjustment (using methods outlined here) performed at the start of each year that slowly lessens until the end of the season, as well as a small usage adjustment that factors in a player’s teammates and competition based on 5-on-5 Game Score.

From there, each player has a projection for each component going forward and that’s plugged into the Game Score formula to get a projected Game Score going forward. That’s then transformed into a wins above replacement rate (with replacement level being the 372nd forward and 186th defenceman) to create Game Score Value Added, or GSVA. That value is added up for each team based on the players in their starting lineup, and voila: team strength projections.


Here is his reason for lolhabs

Wins Added: 0.5 wins
Salary Added: $12.3 million
In: Josh Anderson, Jake Allen, Tyler Toffoli, Joel Edmundson
Out: Max Domi

This may feel like a shockingly low spot for the Canadiens, so it’s worth explaining what the model sees here for a team that is spending $12.3 million to earn an extra 0.5 wins.

For starters, the Jake Allen and Joel Edmundson additions don’t move the needle. In Allen’s case, the model doesn’t account for the fact that Carey Price will likely perform better from being more well-rested. As for Edmundson, he’s not viewed fondly by the model and pushes arguably stronger options like Brett Kulak and Victor Mete down the depth chart.

Up front, both Tyler Toffoli and Josh Anderson grade out as top-six calibre forwards, but neither project to be as good as Max Domi. Together they are, but the Canadiens were already relatively deep at wing meaning the two moves offer diminishing returns. In any sense, the forward group is indeed stronger and that’s where the 0.5 extra wins comes from.
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Oct 22 2020 01:49pm
Quote (StayPositive @ 22 Oct 2020 12:43)
These advanced stats clearly take Talbot > Markstrom and Hamonic > Tanev. Suspect.


nah pretty much gained from markstrom, wash btwn hamonic/tanev. loss came from nordstrom

Calgary Flames

Wins Added: -0.5 wins

Salary Added: -$3.6 million

In: Jacob Markstrom, Chris Tanev, Joakim Nordstrom

Out: T.J. Brodie, Cam Talbot, Erik Gustafsson, Travis Hamonic, Mark Jankowski, Derek Forbort, Tobias Rieder

The Flames lost a lot of important players, but they should be able to replace that value either internally or with one of their two big new additions. T.J. Brodie is the biggest loss and though it’s likely Rasmus Andersson can step into that role just fine, it does deplete the team’s defensive depth. Chris Tanev and Travis Hamonic are a wash — two defenders who have seen better days — and the rest of the skaters aren’t really a huge loss save for Erik Gustafsson, who was a deadline acquisition anyway.

The big upgrade is in net as the team finally has a bona fide starter in Jacob Markstrom, a clear upgrade over Cam Talbot. Calgary made a significant commitment to land him and while that’s always risky for goaltenders, Markstrom brings a steady presence to the position, adding 1.2 wins of value over Talbot.

Where the Flames lose value is in their recent addition of Joakim Nordstrom, worth minus-0.7 wins on his own. He really reduces the fourth line’s utility at even strength.

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Oct 22 2020 05:33pm
yeah idk about that flyers are even on the wins gained
we lost niskanen for gustafson and still havnt signed myers im pretty sure that would be a huge downgrade on the D
we also lost some pretty good depth guys but if we got a healthy lindblom and patrick back i guess that evens out

i feel we downgraded as a whole and still have ghost and added another guy just like him and didnt trade him for anything beneficial

he got guys to sign some decent deals but tbh this offseason was the most lackluster
they want to win now you had the cap and have your #1 RD retire and you go and get gustafson
and im kinda pissed he let pitlick go and he didnt sign for crazy $$ or anything i thought he was a solid bottom 6 guy

This post was edited by dragoneth on Oct 22 2020 05:40pm
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yeah idk about that flyers are even on the wins gained
we lost niskanen for gustafson and still havnt signed myers im pretty sure that would be a huge downgrade on the D
we also lost some pretty good depth guys but if we got a healthy lindblom and patrick back i guess that evens out


Philadelphia Flyers

Wins Added: -0.1 wins

Salary Added: -$6.75 million

In: Erik Gustafsson

Out: Matt Niskanen, Derek Grant, Tyler Pitlick, Nate Thompson

Matt Niskanen’s retirement was a huge surprise and he won’t be easily replaced. Erik Gustafsson can be a decent offensive catalyst but his defensive struggles make him an unlikely match on the top pair playing tough minutes. It’s an odd fit and the Flyers come out behind on that swap. Where they make up ground is in ditching Derek Grant and especially Nate Thompson, as the latter projects to be well below replacement level. The team’s forward group is stronger but the back end remains a concern.
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