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Oct 12 2020 11:12am
Quote (Mangix @ 12 Oct 2020 13:02)
Its not a tabloid accusation if the accuser is literally in the room, but regardless the original thing you quoted and I replied to wasn't the second thing you're quoting now. You're also dramatizing what happened, much like a tabloid would.

To the thing you actually quoted. One of the key facets of the job of a lifelong appointment to the highest court in the land is to be impartial.
If you're incapable of that, you don't take the job. That statement isn't even up for discussion.

How the senate approaches that process is up to each individual member of the senate involved in the process.

One would hope that they're thorough in a confirmation and don't just let any randomly selected person, regardless of how bad they might be for the job, to have it.
If I were hiring someone for a management position and a coworker told me they know that guy and they're pretty sure he did some shady shit before, I would look into it, like any rational thinking actor would.

the specific accuser you are mentioning is not the one who put for the accusation of ‘gang rapes of adults led by an underaged teenager’. this was introduced during the hearings later on by outside sources ie: tabloids.

kavanaugh thus far has not shown any partiality during his time on the SC bench. anyone saying that he might not be impartial during the hearings was putting forth the ridiculous notion to try and force him to prove a negative.
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Oct 12 2020 11:41am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 12 2020 01:09pm)
Manufacturing a smear campaign at the zenith of someone's career to try to derail his confirmation is grade A scumbaggery. If there was any shred of truth this accusation wouldn't of surfaced a week or two right before his nomination, it would have surfaced at some point in the last 20 years.

You should be ashamed for endorsing that type of smut politics and disguising it as some bullshit as 'people deserve to know'


If someone raped me 20 years ago, and then I saw them being appointed to the highest court in the land I would probably feel a moral obligation to say something. Any anonymous or similar such accusations outside of that though are pretty silly and shouldn't be involved in the process, as like you implied it turns the whole process into a circus.

There is no shame in holding that as a value, as its something I would do myself in Ford's position.

What I don't understand is with such an important position, why couldn't they just appoint a different person? Why did it have to be this one guy in particular? There are plenty of other conservative-minded judges available. Thats what is so odd to me. I would just hire someone else who has the values I was looking for in the position.

It makes it feel like the judge is bought and paid for, which is why they need this specific guy. That is just baseless conjecture on my part though.

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 12 2020 11:42am
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Oct 12 2020 11:45am
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If someone raped me 20 years ago, and then I saw them being appointed to the highest court in the land I would probably feel a moral obligation to say something. Any anonymous or similar such accusations outside of that though are pretty silly and shouldn't be involved in the process, as like you implied it turns the whole process into a circus.

There is no shame in holding that as a value, as its something I would do myself in Ford's position.

What I don't understand is with such an important position, why couldn't they just appoint a different person? Why did it have to be this one guy in particular? There are plenty of other conservative-minded judges available. Thats what is so odd to me. I would just hire someone else who has the values I was looking for in the position.

It makes it feel like the judge is bought and paid for, which is why they need this specific guy. That is just baseless conjecture on my part though.


if u withdraw the nomination people will take it as proof the rape occurred.

it's sad, but a simple "ok u didnt like that guy, np how about this person" is perceived as so much more. i agree, if shit comes up just nominate someone else.
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Oct 12 2020 11:46am
Quote (Mangix @ Oct 12 2020 12:41pm)
What I don't understand is with such an important position, why couldn't they just appoint a different person? Why did it have to be this one guy in particular? There are plenty of other conservative-minded judges available. Thats what is so odd to me. I would just hire someone else who has the values I was looking for in the position.

It makes it feel like the judge is bought and paid for, which is why they need this specific guy. That is just baseless conjecture on my part though.


Because modern conservatives aren't interested in policy or consistency. They're interested in making liberals angry.
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Oct 12 2020 11:54am
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if u withdraw the nomination people will take it as proof the rape occurred.

it's sad, but a simple "ok u didnt like that guy, np how about this person" is perceived as so much more. i agree, if shit comes up just nominate someone else.


This isn't a game of dodgeball where you can just choose the next guy up. The stakes are high and when you vet all these people you end up with like 4-5 candidates that are fit for the job.

Problem is it doesn't matter who the nomination would of been they would have received the same type of bullshit scrutiny. I guarantee Barrett will have some things hurdled at her which we're going to be asking like are you really asking that type of dumb shit?

I mean we've already seen in it with deranged leftists questioning her adoption of some black kids from sure poverty.

Why the fuck would anyone give an inch to such tactics? Fuck nominating someone else if the 'critics' are stooping to these levels.
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Oct 12 2020 11:54am
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if u withdraw the nomination people will take it as proof the rape occurred.

it's sad, but a simple "ok u didnt like that guy, np how about this person" is perceived as so much more. i agree, if shit comes up just nominate someone else.

yeah withdrawing the nominee would have shown a semblance of that kavanaugh was ‘guilty’ without proving it. probably best we dont have that sort of wishy-washy standard applied across the board, cuz it will end up being ‘they said vs they said’ every single time. the senate had a hearing and the accuser could not get any one of her alleged witnesses to verify the claims.

some in the media/lefties have actually argued that ACB’s family adopting two girls from Haiti is ‘a nefarious plot and disqualifes her’. do we really need to slow down everything for people who hold such notions and feed it to senators that will be voting on the nominees?
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Oct 12 2020 11:56am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 12 2020 12:54pm)
This isn't a game of dodgeball where you can just choose the next guy up. The stakes are high and when you vet all these people you end up with like 4-5 candidates that are fit for the job.

Problem is it doesn't matter who the nomination would of been they would have received the same type of bullshit scrutiny. I guarantee Barrett will have some things hurdled at her which we're going to be asking like are you really asking that type of dumb shit?

I mean we've already seen in it with deranged leftists questioning her adoption of some black kids from sure poverty.

Why the fuck would anyone give an inch to such tactics? Fuck nominating someone else if the 'critics' are stooping to these levels.


if ACB was nominated in place of Kavanagh it would have been way less messy.
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Oct 12 2020 12:00pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 01:45pm)
if u withdraw the nomination people will take it as proof the rape occurred.

it's sad, but a simple "ok u didnt like that guy, np how about this person" is perceived as so much more. i agree, if shit comes up just nominate someone else.


Thats a fair take. Though people were already claiming from both sides that it did happen, or didn't happen, regardless of any amount of evidence or discussion proving otherwise. So it doesn't seem like it would make a huge difference and I'll admit I'm not very worried about a millionaire/boderline millionaire's life being disturbed.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 12 2020 01:54pm)
Why the fuck would anyone give an inch to such tactics? Fuck nominating someone else if the 'critics' are stooping to these levels.


Because we want the best people for the job. Is there a chain of them appointing possible rapists (by this I mean a chain of ppl accused by the opposition party of rape), or was it just this one person accused of it? If so I haven't heard of it.

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 12 2020 12:03pm
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Oct 12 2020 12:20pm
Quote (Mangix @ Oct 12 2020 02:00pm)
Thats a fair take. Though people were already claiming from both sides that it did happen, or didn't happen, regardless of any amount of evidence or discussion proving otherwise. So it doesn't seem like it would make a huge difference and I'll admit I'm not very worried about a millionaire/boderline millionaire's life being disturbed.



Because we want the best people for the job. Is there a chain of them appointing possible rapists (by this I mean a chain of ppl accused by the opposition party of rape), or was it just this one person accused of it? If so I haven't heard of it.


if, republican nominated = bad
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Oct 12 2020 12:24pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2020 01:56pm)
if ACB was nominated in place of Kavanagh it would have been way less messy.


And you say i make vague one liners that dont contribute ..... lmao
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