Here's the thing... Joe and Kamala are going to be too busy governing for this sort of nonsense. They won't have time for the petty grievances and paranoid witch hunts that the Trump administration has engaged in since day 1.





Agreed. If Bernie was at the top I'd probably just write in someone. Joe is a center-left Democrat and Kamala doesn't hurt the ticket so I'm happy.

Of course, if it was up to me I'd rather vote for a moderate Republican who didn't engage in white grievance politics, who cared about the deficit, who was pragmatic and willing to comprimise, etc. But that person isn't on the ballot, and probably never will be.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 12 2020 05:19pm

So Trump is responsible for the witch hunts that went after Trump?

Welcome to Earth. Let me explain things to you.

Just listened to Biden talk, and now Harris talk.

Fucking hell, this is a huge disparity. Biden can talk circles around Trump. It's really stark the contrast when you spend time on the internet. "He forgot where he is, he has dementia". Are we listening to the same person?

Harris sounds good. I honestly don't know much about her, but her speaking is decent.

Biden asked Harris to challenge his assumptions when she disagrees. That alone should be enough to convince anybody that he's going to be a better leader. Trump does not tolerate dissent and refuses to learn even basic things that are critically relavent.

Anyway, I feel pretty good about this ticket. Maybe that's my ignorance about Harris, but I think having adults speaking will be a huge contrast to Trump, and that will sway a loooot of people in the middle. (I hope)

Black seems to be jumping down the trump man hole with both feet today. Harris must of pushed him over

I totally get that. You like the GOP of the Bushes, McCain, Romney. Then Trump waltzed in, took over the party and refedined it in his own image. He took your toy away, so you want to get it back and want to see him and his friends punished, want to see everything he stands for rejected.

But if there still was an electoral market for neocons like GWB or McCain, or Koch-friendly fiscal conservatives like Romney/Ryan, then Trump's hostile takeover of the Republican party could never have happened to begin with. During the 2016 GOP primaries, the base firmly rejected the type of conservatism that you and IceMage prefer, and when I look at Trump's approval ratings with self-identified Republicans (which are skyhigh despite his endless list of blunders and shortcomings), I dont see any way back to the status quo ante, even if Trump is trounced in November.

These days, you two are probably best represented politically by the establishment-wing of the Democratic party.
Just my 2 cents...

Thunder can speak for himself, but I have absolutely no investment in the GOP. The Democrats turned out to be right... it's an party of white grievance that isn't capable of governing. It's the party of stupid. I don't think that's going to change for the foreseeable future, whether Trump wins or not.

Pretending every right-leaning person likes Bush, McCain, and Romney is lazy. Bush was a disaster as president, and McCain/Romney have the same flaws that all Republicans(including Trump) do. A needlessly abrasive and hawkish foreign policy, no real concern about the deficit, etc.

Establishment democrats have a far better record on the issues I care about, mainly the economy, fiscal sanity, and foreign policy. So yes, between the choice of a crazy, corrupt authoritarian cult and establishment Democrats, it's not a tough call. I'll take Obama over Bush, McCain, and Trump.

You want to make this a question of policy but for me it's not. It's character and competence. On my list of things wrong with Trump, his isolationist and protectionist tendencies don't make the top 20.

I cannot believe there is any discussion about Biden cognitive ability vs trumps. Wtf are you guys serious with this. Biden sounds like a normal person that has made a few mistakes. Trump BARELY speaks English. The two aren’t even comparable. Play trumps talk with Hannity up again Biden today About 24 hours apart. It’s like a college person vs a chimp. This talking point is dead

And now I'm listening to Trump's address today. It is literally hard to pick out a single truthful thing that he has said in the last 10 minutes.

Yeah, every politician lies and tells half-truths, but Trump seems incapable of telling any truth

And on a personal note, dude needs to take a vacation. Like, I get the president doesn't really get vacations especially during a pandemic, but God he looks and sounds so tired. I feel kind of bad for him. He is obviously very exhausted

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 12 2020 06:43pm

Yes, I said the same thing yesterday. Looks like total shit. Such low energy. Sad!
At this rate, I wouldnt be surprised if he just had a heart attack before election day. I really dont see how he could possibly get through another 4.5 years of doing this.


If the Democrats hadnt moved to the left on the issues at lightspeed, if they hadnt ramped up the craziness these past years and were just running on the Obama 2008 platform instead, this would be such an easy election.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 12 2020 07:00pm

Arguably, this has already been an easy election so far. If the poles don't go in Trump's favor and they stay the way they've been the entire time it's still an easy election