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fender
#1 Aug 11 2020 03:11am
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just to inb4 the inevitable 'he warned us about this' spins in relation to mail-in ballots and the US postal service:

trump is (very clumsily and obviously) creating a situation in which he can (in true authoritarian fashion) suppress millions of votes, while simultaneously claiming a potential election outcome resulting in a loss would be illegitimate.
just like in 2016, he's already crying fraud without any proof, while doing everything in his power to ACTUALLY rig the elections in his favour: destroying the postal service, census shenanigans, massive voter disenfranchisement campaigns, deliberately not securing the elections against foreign meddling...




https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-wants-to-cut-mail-in-voting-the-republican-machine-is-helping-him-392428



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/us/politics/trump-usps-mail-delays.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/07/usps-us-postal-service-changes-mail-in-ballots


that's what dictators do, and half the country is fine with this because it's 'their team' doing it. i genuinely thought americans were better than this...

Saucisson6000
#2 Aug 11 2020 03:57am
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ah yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy

Appointed in may 2020. North Carolina guy lol. Thus i have not the detail of what he did, in the wiki we can read he re-assigned a pack of seniors:

On August 7, 2020, DeJoy announced he had reassigned or displaced 23 senior USPS officials, including the two top executives overseeing day-to-day operation



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Djunior
#3 Aug 11 2020 04:13am
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Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2020 11:11am)
just to inb4 the inevitable 'he warned us about this' spins in relation to mail-in ballots and the US postal service:

trump is (very clumsily and obviously) creating a situation in which he can (in true authoritarian fashion) suppress millions of votes, while simultaneously claiming a potential election outcome resulting in a loss would be illegitimate.
just like in 2016, he's already crying fraud without any proof, while doing everything in his power to ACTUALLY rig the elections in his favour: destroying the postal service, census shenanigans, massive voter disenfranchisement campaigns, deliberately not securing the elections against foreign meddling...


https://i.imgur.com/rpIKYJ3.png

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-wants-to-cut-mail-in-voting-the-republican-machine-is-helping-him-392428

https://i.imgur.com/kARZIMg.jpg

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/us/politics/trump-usps-mail-delays.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/07/usps-us-postal-service-changes-mail-in-ballots


that's what dictators do, and half the country is fine with this because it's 'their team' doing it. i genuinely thought americans were better than this...


Herp Derp and more herp derp

Dems afraid of normal elections? Biden still hiding in his basement?

lol
Saucisson6000
#4 Aug 11 2020 06:04am
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Quote (Djunior @ 11 Aug 2020 12:13)
Herp Derp and more herp derp

Dems afraid of normal elections? Biden still hiding in his basement?

lol

Great input. Let's hope it will not be another "Can't stop winning after shooting myself in the foot."
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#5 Aug 11 2020 06:28am
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Generals will remove Trump if he doesn't go peacefully.
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Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2020 05:11am)
just to inb4 the inevitable 'he warned us about this' spins in relation to mail-in ballots and the US postal service:

trump is (very clumsily and obviously) creating a situation in which he can (in true authoritarian fashion) suppress millions of votes, while simultaneously claiming a potential election outcome resulting in a loss would be illegitimate.
just like in 2016, he's already crying fraud without any proof, while doing everything in his power to ACTUALLY rig the elections in his favour: destroying the postal service, census shenanigans, massive voter disenfranchisement campaigns, deliberately not securing the elections against foreign meddling...


https://i.imgur.com/rpIKYJ3.png

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-wants-to-cut-mail-in-voting-the-republican-machine-is-helping-him-392428

https://i.imgur.com/kARZIMg.jpg

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/us/politics/trump-usps-mail-delays.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/07/usps-us-postal-service-changes-mail-in-ballots


that's what dictators do, and half the country is fine with this because it's 'their team' doing it. i genuinely thought americans were better than this...



Ballot harvesting is an illegal scam and you deserve these results.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 11 2020 08:30am)
Ballot harvesting is an illegal scam and you deserve these results.


It isn't just illegal it is imaginary.
fender
#8 Aug 11 2020 09:53am
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Quote (Skinned @ 11 Aug 2020 14:28)
Generals will remove Trump if he doesn't go peacefully.


sure, but he's going full authoritarian so he won't have to go in the first place. he's accelerating america's path to oligarchy significantly, destroying not only faith in democracy, but some of its important cornerstones as well.

i was lead to believe that was the kind of shit americans had the 2nd amendment for, but (unsurprisingly to anyone paying attention) it turns out that it was only ever an excuse to keep your toys, and the vast majority of the gun crowd doesn't give a flying fuck about tyranny, as long as the perpetrator has the magic (R) behind their name...
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#9 Aug 11 2020 10:05am
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Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2020 11:53am)
sure, but he's going full authoritarian so he won't have to go in the first place. he's accelerating america's path to oligarchy significantly, destroying not only faith in democracy, but some of its important cornerstones as well.

i was lead to believe that was the kind of shit americans had the 2nd amendment for, but (unsurprisingly to anyone paying attention) it turns out that it was only ever an excuse to keep your toys, and the vast majority of the gun crowd doesn't give a flying fuck about tyranny, as long as the perpetrator has the magic (R) behind their name...


Unsurprisingly most Americans (who live and work in the country) are better apprised of the situation and understand that Trump is not a dictator for enforcing federal law and raising electoral concerns that we've just seen come to fruition in New York.
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Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2020 02:11am)
just to inb4 the inevitable 'he warned us about this' spins in relation to mail-in ballots and the US postal service:

trump is (very clumsily and obviously) creating a situation in which he can (in true authoritarian fashion) suppress millions of votes, while simultaneously claiming a potential election outcome resulting in a loss would be illegitimate.
just like in 2016, he's already crying fraud without any proof, while doing everything in his power to ACTUALLY rig the elections in his favour: destroying the postal service, census shenanigans, massive voter disenfranchisement campaigns, deliberately not securing the elections against foreign meddling...


https://i.imgur.com/rpIKYJ3.png

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-wants-to-cut-mail-in-voting-the-republican-machine-is-helping-him-392428

https://i.imgur.com/kARZIMg.jpg

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/us/politics/trump-usps-mail-delays.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/07/usps-us-postal-service-changes-mail-in-ballots


that's what dictators do, and half the country is fine with this because it's 'their team' doing it. i genuinely thought americans were better than this...


All these R stooges are crying about civil war etc. (voting suppression is a giant step in that direction)what they fail to realize is that to avoid any "armed conflict" you have to listen to the other side.
If all trump and his supporters do is continue to hold the R line only, the L will continue to push back more and more. Simple answer in any leadership dynamic. managing a 7-11 OR pres of the US.
You have to engage and listen to the other side. If not.. this is what you will get and more. In american politics everyone has to be a little unhappy.
This dynamic of all D should eat trump shit will continually escalate the problem. FACT.
Bottom line either R want the civil unrest because they would rather be part of a cult. Or they get the R party (mainly trump) as Mitch etc. (are just bitches) to listen or it will continually escalate on both sides.
Choice. Back off the trump support (he is one president, not Jesus Christ)-- or the conflict will continue to worsen.
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