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Jun 17 2020 11:08pm
Let’s say one group voted for person A and another group voted for person B. In the end, person B was elected for whatever position. Now the group that voted for Person A, essentially didn’t really vote right? Since person B was elected. And Cause the purpose of voting is for someone that will help implement reforms and change.



So what really is the point of voting if that person you voted for Isnt gonna win?


Everyone on tv is like go vote , u should vote blah blah, like is your one vote gonna make an impact ?


Pessimistic point of view here
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Jun 17 2020 11:40pm
I mean there's like a dozen other positions to vote for on the ballot. Some of those offices really matter in ways that you don't even think about. Judges, sheriffs, and local prosecutor all play a big role in who gets punished by the law.
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Jun 17 2020 11:50pm
You sound like Draymond Green. He didn't vote in the last election and now he regrets that decision.
Every vote matters. You can make a big difference as one person. Don't think otherwise my friend.
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Jun 18 2020 12:23am
Quote (FamilyGuyViewer @ 18 Jun 2020 01:08)
Let’s say one group voted for person A and another group voted for person B. In the end, person B was elected for whatever position. Now the group that voted for Person A, essentially didn’t really vote right? Since person B was elected. And Cause the purpose of voting is for someone that will help implement reforms and change.



So what really is the point of voting if that person you voted for Isnt gonna win?


Everyone on tv is like go vote , u should vote blah blah, like is your one vote gonna make an impact ?


Pessimistic point of view here


The questions are you are asking have been thoroughly examined and continue to be examined to this day, although there is a law for what you are talking about:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law


People go to school for many years to try to answer the question you are asking

A lot of people also don't like our system, but there are benefits and downsides

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting


To really answer your question though your votes are important even if a party loses because it is an official record of support which means a lot in some cases

This post was edited by Crunkt on Jun 18 2020 12:25am
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Jun 18 2020 06:50am
How about person A and B work on the same team regardless of their party. It's all a scam they're all a part of the royal bloodline. EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT has ties to the royal bloodline
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Jun 18 2020 09:31am
Quote (HydroPK @ Jun 18 2020 05:50am)
How about person A and B work on the same team regardless of their party. It's all a scam they're all a part of the royal bloodline. EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT has ties to the royal bloodline


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Jun 18 2020 09:43am
Quote (HydroPK @ Jun 18 2020 07:50am)
How about person A and B work on the same team regardless of their party. It's all a scam they're all a part of the royal bloodline. EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT has ties to the royal bloodline


I don't take issue with people being born into affluence. Plato explains that in Aristocracy, society is ruled by a "philosopher king" or in other words a rule that is grounded in wisdom and reason. Surrounded by council members who advise him.

Plato discussed 5 tiers of regimes and they are Aristocracy, Timocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, and Tyranny

The aristocratic state that Plato idealizes is composed of three caste-like parts: the ruling class, made up of the aforementioned philosophers-kings (who are otherwise identified as having souls of gold); the auxiliaries of the ruling caste, made up of soldiers (whose souls are made up of silver), and whose job in the state is to force on the majority the order established by the philosophers; and the majority of the people (souls of either bronze or iron), who, in contrast to the first two classes, are allowed to own property and produce goods for themselves, but are also obliged to sustain with their own activities their rulers' — who are forbidden from owning property in order to preclude that the policies they undertake be tainted by personal interests.

Oligarchy degenerates into a democracy where freedom is the supreme good but freedom is also slavery. In democracy, the lower class grows bigger and bigger. The poor become the winners. People are free to do what they want and live how they want. People can even break the law if they so choose. This appears to be very similar to anarchy.

Plato uses the "democratic man" to represent democracy. The democratic man is the son of the oligarchic man. Unlike his father, the democratic man is consumed with unnecessary desires. Plato describes necessary desires as desires that we have out of instinct or desires that we have to survive. Unnecessary desires are desires we can teach ourselves to resist such as the desire for riches. The democratic man takes great interest in all the things he can buy with his money. Plato believes that the democratic man is more concerned with his money over how he can help the people. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it. His life has no order or priority.

Note that in the animal kingdom, closest to human society are ants and bees. When ants and bees have an established hierarchy working as a hive mind, they are not deterred by so much individuality. On the surface individuality sounds like a good thing, but it is severely damaging to order. More important than any one mans life or freedoms is order.
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Jun 18 2020 10:55am
Quote (Giannis @ Jun 18 2020 09:43am)
I don't take issue with people being born into affluence. Plato explains that in Aristocracy, society is ruled by a "philosopher king" or in other words a rule that is grounded in wisdom and reason. Surrounded by council members who advise him.

Plato discussed 5 tiers of regimes and they are Aristocracy, Timocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, and Tyranny

The aristocratic state that Plato idealizes is composed of three caste-like parts: the ruling class, made up of the aforementioned philosophers-kings (who are otherwise identified as having souls of gold); the auxiliaries of the ruling caste, made up of soldiers (whose souls are made up of silver), and whose job in the state is to force on the majority the order established by the philosophers; and the majority of the people (souls of either bronze or iron), who, in contrast to the first two classes, are allowed to own property and produce goods for themselves, but are also obliged to sustain with their own activities their rulers' — who are forbidden from owning property in order to preclude that the policies they undertake be tainted by personal interests.

Oligarchy degenerates into a democracy where freedom is the supreme good but freedom is also slavery. In democracy, the lower class grows bigger and bigger. The poor become the winners. People are free to do what they want and live how they want. People can even break the law if they so choose. This appears to be very similar to anarchy.

Plato uses the "democratic man" to represent democracy. The democratic man is the son of the oligarchic man. Unlike his father, the democratic man is consumed with unnecessary desires. Plato describes necessary desires as desires that we have out of instinct or desires that we have to survive. Unnecessary desires are desires we can teach ourselves to resist such as the desire for riches. The democratic man takes great interest in all the things he can buy with his money. Plato believes that the democratic man is more concerned with his money over how he can help the people. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it. His life has no order or priority.

Note that in the animal kingdom, closest to human society are ants and bees. When ants and bees have an established hierarchy working as a hive mind, they are not deterred by so much individuality. On the surface individuality sounds like a good thing, but it is severely damaging to order. More important than any one mans life or freedoms is order.


Get lost Giannis. We aren't ants and bees.
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Jun 18 2020 11:42am
Your vote don’t count for shit. Country was bought out long ago. Just stay home and jak off and be happy that the country is still good. Or would you rather live in Cuba or North Korea. I heard your vote counts a lot more over there.
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Jun 18 2020 12:29pm
Quote (Giannis @ Jun 18 2020 11:43am)
I don't take issue with people being born into affluence. Plato explains that in Aristocracy, society is ruled by a "philosopher king" or in other words a rule that is grounded in wisdom and reason. Surrounded by council members who advise him.

Plato discussed 5 tiers of regimes and they are Aristocracy, Timocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, and Tyranny

The aristocratic state that Plato idealizes is composed of three caste-like parts: the ruling class, made up of the aforementioned philosophers-kings (who are otherwise identified as having souls of gold); the auxiliaries of the ruling caste, made up of soldiers (whose souls are made up of silver), and whose job in the state is to force on the majority the order established by the philosophers; and the majority of the people (souls of either bronze or iron), who, in contrast to the first two classes, are allowed to own property and produce goods for themselves, but are also obliged to sustain with their own activities their rulers' — who are forbidden from owning property in order to preclude that the policies they undertake be tainted by personal interests.

Oligarchy degenerates into a democracy where freedom is the supreme good but freedom is also slavery. In democracy, the lower class grows bigger and bigger. The poor become the winners. People are free to do what they want and live how they want. People can even break the law if they so choose. This appears to be very similar to anarchy.

Plato uses the "democratic man" to represent democracy. The democratic man is the son of the oligarchic man. Unlike his father, the democratic man is consumed with unnecessary desires. Plato describes necessary desires as desires that we have out of instinct or desires that we have to survive. Unnecessary desires are desires we can teach ourselves to resist such as the desire for riches. The democratic man takes great interest in all the things he can buy with his money. Plato believes that the democratic man is more concerned with his money over how he can help the people. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it. His life has no order or priority.

Note that in the animal kingdom, closest to human society are ants and bees. When ants and bees have an established hierarchy working as a hive mind, they are not deterred by so much individuality. On the surface individuality sounds like a good thing, but it is severely damaging to order. More important than any one mans life or freedoms is order.


Bruh aint nobody queen bee over me ill fuck their shit hole bloodlines up

Quote (SaF7 @ Jun 18 2020 12:55pm)
Get lost Giannis. We aren't ants and bees.


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