Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 12 2020 07:37pm)

The only position I have taken in this entire thread is that Plato and Socrates did not follow science which is not controversial since the scientific method wasnt established until the 16th century at the earliest.

I did not take a position on the spirit or on God or on Souls, but I did dismiss your copy and paste because I'm not interested in talking about god spirit or souls

Quote (Giannis @ Jun 12 2020 07:54pm)

So in other words you carry a narrow view point and anything outside of that scope is dismissed without reading or refutation. Good to know that you’re willfully ignorant

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 12 2020 08:07pm)

Nope, it means I want to talk about the subject you made the thread about. When you veer off into different subjects after just a hand full of posts that's boring and not productive.

Quote (Giannis @ Jun 12 2020 08:19pm)

The thread includes the topic of metaphysics, you dismissed the works of metaphysics. I attempted to call attention to the external evidences backing metaphysics.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 12 2020 08:22pm)

Metaphysics, by definition, cannot have external evidences. If it could have external evidences it would just be physics.

Quote (Giannis @ Jun 12 2020 08:35pm)

Are there scientific facts that have been established today that weren’t previously established? Obviously

Your attitude is very narrow minded. It is inevitable that fields without established facts must be considered in order to discover new ideas including within the realms of science.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 12 2020 08:43pm)

Does not address what I said in any way.

Quote (Giannis @ Jun 12 2020 08:49pm)

Yes it does... you made the claim that there cannot be external evidences for metaphysics. I countered that point by referencing scientific facts that can exist without having yet been established.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 12 2020 08:50pm)

And I said "by definition". I.e. it's not a case where it just hasn't been discovered, it is a field that is not amenable to external evidences because external evidences are not possible by how the field is defined.

Quote (Giannis @ Jun 12 2020 08:51pm)

It wasn’t “defined” when Galileo made the claim that the Earth isn’t flat either, again you’re narrow minded and dismissive.