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Apr 14 2021 07:25pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 14 2021 07:16pm)
For the Pfizer and moderna vaccine,s which was the first on the market, thats all it was as far as I've seen.

You havent given any specific except saying "infrastructure" and "logistics". I looked through every post you've made today.

I need more than that to give you any points.




When Trump wanted to close travel we already knew we had community spread. Try again.



Of what 4 cases? Try again, media, Joe Biden, Nancy and the New York chump all voiced their opinions against shutting down travel.

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Apr 14 2021 07:27pm
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Of what 4 cases? Try again, media, Joe Biden, Nancy and the New York chump all voiced their opinions against shutting down travel.


4 cases detected means its in the community and there are way more you aren't detecting.

Man youre super smart and really good at basic logic
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Apr 14 2021 07:28pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 14 2021 09:16pm)
For the Pfizer and moderna vaccine,s which was the first on the market, thats all it was as far as I've seen.

You havent given any specific except saying "infrastructure" and "logistics". I looked through every post you've made today.

I need more than that to give you any points.



Look at the graphic. 12 Billion was spent which impacted 900 million doses of vaccines in every single large pharma producer.

https://time.com/5921360/operation-warp-speed-vaccine-spending/#:~:text=The%20Trump%20Administration's%20'Operation%20Warp,Spent%20%2412.4%20Billion%20on%20Vaccines.

This is what Trump's number one fan Bloomberg had to say about warpspeed.

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The program will likely shave years off the time needed to find a vaccine and if successful may save tens of thousands or hundreds of thousand of lives in the U.S., and potentially more around the world.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-23/how-much-is-the-trump-administration-spending-on-a-vaccine


But it's like what's the point of sharing these sources. You already made up your mind that Trump is objectively bad and no matter what the amount of sources someone provides you'll find ways to divorce him from anything positive he accomplished.
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Apr 14 2021 07:30pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 14 2021 08:28pm)
Look at the graphic. 12 Billion was spent which impacted 900 million doses of vaccines in every single large pharma producer.

https://time.com/5921360/operation-warp-speed-vaccine-spending/#:~:text=The%20Trump%20Administration%27s%20%27Operation%20Warp,Spent%20$12.4%20Billion%20on%20Vaccines.

This is what Trump's number one fan Bloomberg had to say about warpspeed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-23/how-much-is-the-trump-administration-spending-on-a-vaccine

But it's like what's the point of sharing these sources. You already made up your mind that Trump is objectively bad and no matter what the amount of sources someone provides you'll find ways to divorce him from anything positive he accomplished.


You're projecting lol

I was genuinely asking for sources to understand what was accomplished beyond securing orders. I've asked literally dozens of times and never gotten an answer from you or a dozen other Trump supporters.

So I'll read these and see if they live up to your claims.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 14 2021 07:37pm
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Apr 14 2021 07:33pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 14 2021 07:27pm)
4 cases detected means its in the community and there are way more you aren't detecting.

Man youre super smart and really good at basic logic



Man you’re not that smart when you try actively to change the point of my statement. Which doesn’t change anything that the Democrats openly were against travel ban at that time.
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Quote (Landmine @ Apr 14 2021 08:33pm)
Man you’re not that smart when you try actively to change the point of my statement. Which doesn’t change anything that the Democrats openly were against travel ban at that time.


Yep, and we already had community spread so they were right to be against the travel bans. They don't do much of anything when its already actively spreading in your country.
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Apr 14 2021 07:58pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 14 2021 08:28pm)
Look at the graphic. 12 Billion was spent which impacted 900 million doses of vaccines in every single large pharma producer.

https://time.com/5921360/operation-warp-speed-vaccine-spending/#:~:text=The%20Trump%20Administration%27s%20%27Operation%20Warp,Spent%20$12.4%20Billion%20on%20Vaccines.

This is what Trump's number one fan Bloomberg had to say about warpspeed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-23/how-much-is-the-trump-administration-spending-on-a-vaccine

But it's like what's the point of sharing these sources. You already made up your mind that Trump is objectively bad and no matter what the amount of sources someone provides you'll find ways to divorce him from anything positive he accomplished.


Read through the articles. They don't do much to help your case. Additionally, it seems like a lot of money was diverted from the CDC and states who actually coordinated vaccine roll-out, which goes against your "infrastructure and logistics" argument. Do we know when or how much was provided to the CDC and states for roll-out? Wasn't it done through the stimulus bills?

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HHS pulled another $700 million from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and directed it to Operation Warp Speed, Bloomberg News reported on Sept. 16. HHS also drew $300 million in CDC funds for a planned advertising campaign, Robert Redfield, the CDC director, told Congress last week.
A person familiar with the situation said that much of the CDC funds would likely have gone to state and local health authorities responding to Covid-19. Redfield told Congress at the hearing that the agency needs an additional $6 billion in funds to help states distribute any coronavirus vaccine that becomes available.


The full context for the quote you pulled is the following

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Warp Speed was designed to quickly fund pharmaceutical companies’ efforts to develop vaccines and drugs, financing manufacturing and guaranteeing purchase of vaccines ahead of clinical trials that will show if they work. The program will likely shave years off the time needed to find a vaccine and if successful may save tens of thousands or hundreds of thousand of lives in the U.S., and potentially more around the world.


and since Pfizer was the first done without any public funds, it really cuts into the argument that the vaccine was developed faster as a result. I disagree with their characterization, but I'm also speaking after the vaccines have been created and distributed. They didn't know that writing in September 2020.
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Apr 14 2021 07:59pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 14 2021 07:37pm)
Yep, and we already had community spread so they were right to be against the travel bans. They don't do much of anything when its already actively spreading in your country.



You’re being dishonest. You know that wasn’t their goal.
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Apr 14 2021 08:00pm
Quote (Landmine @ Apr 14 2021 08:59pm)
You’re being dishonest. You know that wasn’t their goal.


Tell me what you think their goal was and support it with specific statements please.
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Apr 14 2021 08:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 14 2021 08:00pm)
Tell me what you think their goal was and support it with specific statements please.



You do the same and do away with the whataboutism.


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