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Quote (Taylor_Swift @ Jan 25 2020 01:26pm)


huh? a reg faith mat is 95% ias to reach 7fpabp, isn't it? how is that the same as a bow which requires 45% to reach the same bp? :wacko:


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Matr needs 45ias to reach 7 frame with 14+ fanat
GMB needs 95 ias to reach 7 frame with 13+ fanat
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but with foi diamond, you only need 45% from your gear to get to 7fpa. so there are some quirky telebowazon builds you can do with this. maybe.



huh? a reg faith mat is 95% ias to reach 7fpabp, isn't it? how is that the same as a bow which requires 45% to reach the same bp? :wacko:


Gmb is 95, mb is 65
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perf faith mb = highest dmg(of the fast bows), 42ias needed and 3bow and crossbow skills the diamond/shadow etc dont have...

faith of ice in anything but a gmb is a waste.
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Quote (gel87 @ 25 Jan 2020 14:22)
perf faith mb = highest dmg(of the fast bows), 42ias needed and 3bow and crossbow skills the diamond/shadow etc dont have...

faith of ice in anything but a gmb is a waste.


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Quote (Haseo @ 25 Jan 2020 13:46)
Gmb is 95, mb is 65


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Quote (Taylor_Swift @ 25 Jan 2020 04:11)
according to the german IAS calculator, putting in a weapon ias of 20% (to reflect faith of ice) does not affect the 7fpa bp ... it's still 65% ias. this is for diamond bows.
if this were true, then there's really no point in making faith of ice in diamond bow .... because you just gain a tiny diminishing returned deadly strike but give up so much.

i've never known the german website to be wrong. any thots?

IAS breakpoints do not depend on the amounts of Weapon-IAS and IAS (non-weapon) entered into the calculator.
IAS breakpoints are minimum amounts of Increased Attack Speed (IAS) accumulated from equipment (usually both the primary weapon and non-weapon equipment) required for certain attack animation speeds (measured in number of frames per animation: fpa).

Yes, the IAS breakpoint for Amazon equipped with bow [0] (speed=0) and Level 14-15 Fanaticism, e.g. her own Faith Diamond Bow, is 65 for 7 fpa Standard attack.
To reach this attack speed, the amounts of IAS from that bow and non-weapon equipment must sum to minimum 65.

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Quote (kai_jph @ 25 Jan 2020 09:37)
If you thinking of FoI diamond , you may as well use a reg faith Matr

Same gear ias req but Matr deals a bit more damage and way cheaper

huh? a reg faith mat is 95% ias to reach 7fpabp, isn't it? how is that the same as a bow which requires 45% to reach the same bp? :wacko:

'Matr' probably denotes Matriarchal Bow which has speed=-10.
Grand Matron Bow (GMB) has speed=10 and higher IAS breakpoints than both Diamond Bow (DB) and Matriarchal Bow (MB).

When Level X Fanaticism is supplied, the IAS breakpoints for 7 fpa Standard attack are (left to right - in order: MB,DB,GMB):

X=12: (48,70,99)
X=13: (46,68,95)
X=14: (44,65,92)
X=15: (44,65,92)
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Sorry 42
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Sorry 45

This post was edited by Haseo on Jan 25 2020 08:13am
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Quote (Haseo @ 25 Jan 2020 15:13)
Sorry 45


44 but ye xd
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IAS breakpoints do not depend on the amounts of Weapon-IAS and IAS (non-weapon) entered into the calculator.
IAS breakpoints are minimum amounts of Increased Attack Speed (IAS) accumulated from equipment (usually both the primary weapon and non-weapon equipment) required for certain attack animation speeds (measured in number of frames per animation: fpa).

Yes, the IAS breakpoint for Amazon equipped with bow [0] (speed=0) and Level 14-15 Fanaticism, e.g. her own Faith Diamond Bow, is 65 for 7 fpa Standard attack.
To reach this attack speed, the amounts of IAS from that bow and non-weapon equipment must sum to minimum 65.


'Matr' probably denotes Matriarchal Bow which has speed=-10.
Grand Matron Bow (GMB) has speed=10 and higher IAS breakpoints than both Diamond Bow (DB) and Matriarchal Bow (MB).

When Level X Fanaticism is supplied, the IAS breakpoints for 7 fpa Standard attack are (left to right - in order: MB,DB,GMB):

X=12: (48,70,99)
X=13: (46,68,95)
X=14: (44,65,92)
X=15: (44,65,92)


yeah okay, i think i get it now.

i mean a 15 fanat is a given ... so 44, 65, 92 are the important numbers. and i guess the +3 bow skills and higher damage of mb makes it a better choice than a foi db. so there's no point in using a foi db huh ...
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Quote (Taylor_Swift @ Jan 26 2020 12:42am)
yeah okay, i think i get it now.

i mean a 15 fanat is a given ... so 44, 65, 92 are the important numbers. and i guess the +3 bow skills and higher damage of mb makes it a better choice than a foi db. so there's no point in using a foi db huh ...


Yes.
As you know FoI gets 20ias from shael and 20 DS from Lo from the ice runeset
However it loses 50 ed from ohm from the original faith runeset being removed

With FoI bases

FoI gmb deals more avg damage than regular diamond faith but needs 10ias more in gear (excluding bow ias) for 7frame

As said, FoI diamond needs the same ias as reg faith matriarchal
However it not only deals less damage but also has fewer arrows in multi arrow due to not having the +3 bow

Since DS only works when CS fails (asuming 70% CS), the 20%DS only amounts to 6% more chance for double damage

So not worth it

This post was edited by kai_jph on Jan 26 2020 01:22am
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