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Jan 21 2020 11:47am
look at this shit:



so like, if you do this on the computer screen, wouldnt the perimeter actually be 4 :unsure: ? so the red line would actually be 4 because of pixels and shit :unsure: ? and due to quantum physics we are also pixelated, so shouldnt it be 4 irl too :wacko: ?

i know its not 4 but this bothers me a lot :angry:
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Jan 21 2020 04:30pm
Pie can't equal 4 because the square no matter how many times you cut corners away it's still an insane amount of squares...

the squares would just keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller for infinity, resulting in a great many square like shape around the circle...




the circle would still be there inside the square shape THING you have built around it...

This post was edited by caswallen on Jan 21 2020 04:32pm
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Jan 21 2020 05:52pm
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Pie can't equal 4 because the square no matter how many times you cut corners away it's still an insane amount of squares...

the squares would just keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller for infinity, resulting in a great many square like shape around the circle...




the circle would still be there inside the square shape THING you have built around it...


oh i know i know :wacko: and i didnt build this! i found it like that and was like "wow this is so dumb yet i cant find the problem with it :angry: "

basically what im trying to say is, for 1 square its 4. for 10 squares its 4. for 100000000000 squares its 4 :wacko: so basically if you draw this shit on a computer, it will also be 4 :unsure: ? because pixels :unsure: ?

i have no idea what im doing wrong :cry: !
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Jan 22 2020 03:38pm
Even if you did that process to infinity it wouldnt be a circle. Thats why it doesnt work. A circle has every point equidistant from the center and that will never happen by chunking a square
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Jan 22 2020 03:59pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 22 2020 10:38pm)
Even if you did that process to infinity it wouldnt be a circle. Thats why it doesnt work. A circle has every point equidistant from the center and that will never happen by chunking a square


yesyes but in reality it DOES work, thats what bothers me :wacko: like, if im trying to put a rope around a 1m radius pole, im obviously going to need 3.14m of rope, not 4m :wacko: i know there is some extremely easy solution, but i just dont see it :wacko:
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Jan 22 2020 08:59pm
Quote (Snyft2 @ Jan 22 2020 03:59pm)
yesyes but in reality it DOES work, thats what bothers me :wacko: like, if im trying to put a rope around a 1m radius pole, im obviously going to need 3.14m of rope, not 4m :wacko: i know there is some extremely easy solution, but i just dont see it :wacko:



I don’t know what you don’t understand. The perimeter formula differs for shapes with more sides so as you continue this process your complicating the formula or turns one must take to get around the circle.

It’s like asking why a zig zag line is longer than a straight line when they both start at point a and go to b

This post was edited by Xx Shin3d0wn xX on Jan 22 2020 09:04pm
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Jan 23 2020 07:10am
cuz d=1 circles perimeter is pi and the squares perimeter is 4, the circle made out of "chopped square to infinity" is bigger even in infinity.

/e tho I am curious how it's proven mathematically

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Jan 23 2020 07:56am
I guess the problem is that it seems the size of the area becomes pretty close to area of d=1 circle in infinity,

but the area of the chopped square in infinity "aims towards different number" than what area of d=1 circle is.

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Jan 23 2020 04:56pm
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yesyes but in reality it DOES work, thats what bothers me :wacko: like, if im trying to put a rope around a 1m radius pole, im obviously going to need 3.14m of rope, not 4m :wacko: i know there is some extremely easy solution, but i just dont see it :wacko:


It doesn't work in reality. You don't get any closer to a circle by constantly chunking a square. You aren't making any sides rounder by making more edges. A curve is not an infinite series of straight lines.
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Jan 23 2020 05:17pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 23 2020 11:56pm)
It doesn't work in reality. You don't get any closer to a circle by constantly chunking a square. You aren't making any sides rounder by making more edges. A curve is not an infinite series of straight lines.


it does work, you can draw a circle by chunking a square. imagine you have to draw a circle on a computer screen. you will use little squares because the screen is made of pixels. and using those you can create a circle. observe:



see, a circle :cry: ! and if you zoom in, you will see its made of little squares, so why is the total length of the circumference not 4* R but 3.14 * R :unsure: ?

Quote (Crud1ty @ Jan 23 2020 02:10pm)
cuz d=1 circles perimeter is pi and the squares perimeter is 4, the circle made out of "chopped square to infinity" is bigger even in infinity.

/e tho I am curious how it's proven mathematically


exactly :cry: i need mathematical proof! something is wrong but i dont know what :wacko: !
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