Distrust for the state is not state's fault but yours, guys

Says you, and a bunch of sovereign citizen nutters, but nobody of consequence.


Well, I think the citizen is justified in demanding one after being allowed to leave or being arrested and being in court, but not before giving an ID. If that's what you mean then everybody of consequence agrees.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 18 2019 02:38pm

"of course we care and want to do something. not that though."

Anyone who claims to be a nazi is most likely crazy. Lets air on the side of caution imo. I guess when it comes down to it I really dont care about the second as much as others do. I own a gun for personal home protection and I dont think the gov is ever going to try to forcefully take it unless I give them a reason.

Given the current social climate I would be okay with self described nazi's losing rights until they can be vetted.

Not to mention they are traitors in general so who cares about them anyways?

Should we give rights to traitors?

Says reason and the Constitution.

I just pointed out how settled case law dictates that such demands violate the 4th amendment. You might condone boot-licking papers-please fascism, but I do not.

Anyways, all this shit is derailing a legitimate, but different thread.

You gave a case that says they need to have reasonable suspicion, not that the suspicion needs to be articulated to the suspect at the time of the stop.

Well we didn't get to behead our king like you. Still have baggage.

You can't have such revolution anymore, muskets era is over.
More social democracy or you will end up with a perma billionaires club as gov imo.

So your rebuttal is that... the cops know they don't have articulable suspicion and are thus not performing their duties within the bounds of the Constitution, and the citizen is in the wrong for pointing it out to the cop?

Ive given my position several times now clear as day. If you still cant understand it that mostly speaks to you being unwilling.