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Oct 15 2019 08:43pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 15 2019 04:23pm)
The major problem with TBC was that flying mounts and summon stones prevented people from being out in the world engaging with other players. Arena contributed to this problem somewhat because it turned pvpers into town campers, but that problem had been started in vanilla when battlemasters were moved into cites. TBC just accelerated the degradation process of widening the gap between "PvP" and "The World of Warcraft".

But there were plenty of great things about TBC as well. Arena is cool and it's addition to the game could have been a net positive if not for the flying/summon stones issue didn't come in with it. Heroic dungeons wore a huge improvement over the vanilla dungeons.


You do realize vanilla had summoning stones, right?
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Oct 15 2019 09:50pm
Quote (Wolfe @ Oct 15 2019 10:43pm)
You do realize vanilla had summoning stones, right?


you do realize vanilla didn't have summoning stones, right?
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Oct 15 2019 10:53pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 15 2019 11:50pm)
you do realize vanilla didn't have summoning stones, right?


Quote (Wolfe @ Oct 15 2019 10:43pm)
You do realize vanilla had summoning stones, right?


:lol:

Summoning stones were added to WoW at the release of BC patch
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Oct 16 2019 03:08am
Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 16 2019 01:23am)
The major problem with TBC was that flying mounts and summon stones prevented people from being out in the world engaging with other players. Arena contributed to this problem somewhat because it turned pvpers into town campers, but that problem had been started in vanilla when battlemasters were moved into cites. TBC just accelerated the degradation process of widening the gap between "PvP" and "The World of Warcraft".

But there were plenty of great things about TBC as well. Arena is cool and it's addition to the game could have been a net positive if not for the flying/summon stones issue didn't come in with it. Heroic dungeons wore a huge improvement over the vanilla dungeons.


Another thing with TBC that I've also heard other people say that kind of goes hand in hand with the World pvp issue you were addressing is that people felt that you got "done" with the content faster than in Vanilla. Pre bis and getting raids on farm quicker with the lack of World pvp resulted in the world seeming more dead.

I enjoyed a lot of things in TBC but a lot of them also made the game worse at the same time.
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Oct 18 2019 02:41pm
Wotlk>bc>cata up until FL>vanilla>d3>rest of cata=rest
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Oct 19 2019 04:14pm
Although this is just 1 little situation, I think it highlights the difference in the design philosophy between the 3 eras of WoW:

Vanilla: There is no repair at Light's Hope Chapel. In the last content patch, a bunch of new vendors got added and then it became possible to repair. Everyone's access is the same.

TBC: Only players who are exalted with Cenarion Expedition can access the NPC in Coilfang Reservoir to repair and buy reagents. Those who put in the effort get the extra benefit. The system never changes, although it does become slightly easier to obtain exalted once you start raiding SSC.

WOTLK and beyond: Everything you need is in Dalaran. There's no reason to leave. Anywhere you go to play the game, you get instantly teleported there. You never have to even think about the world, what is in it. You certainly don't have to actually interact with the world.


A situation like that is where TBC gets the formula right. If we could take that mindset, cut out of the summon stones + flying mounts, then we could craft the ideal game around that core philosophy. For example, the world pvp objectives (Hellfire/Zangar/Terrokar towers, Haala) need to be heavily integrated into the pvp progression (instead of just being dead corners that no one spends time in).
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Oct 21 2019 02:42am
Quote (Dmitriy @ Oct 13 2019 01:39am)
Being able to pvp for pvp gear and good pvp gear being locked behind 2.2k rating was amazing. Also raids were much better and dungeons as well. Endgame was just way better.


Nah they ruined the gear tiering system from vanilla. Random green quest items better than level 60 epics etc... Totally broke the game.

Some features were amazing and the zones were amazing, but it broke more than it added.
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Oct 21 2019 07:14am
Quote (Marley @ Oct 14 2019 10:29am)
BC was more polished than vanilla. i hope they release BC again.


I agree i like both.. I hope they eventually go into TBC - very long down the road.
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Oct 21 2019 09:20am
Quote (Taffy @ Oct 21 2019 08:14am)
I agree i like both.. I hope they eventually go into TBC - very long down the road.


im really enjoying vanilla. aside from taking breaks to watch some shows, its pretty much all i do.
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Oct 21 2019 10:57am
Quote (Marley @ Oct 21 2019 10:20am)
im really enjoying vanilla. aside from taking breaks to watch some shows, its pretty much all i do.



Same. Love it so much.
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