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Kayeto
#11 Oct 8 2019 05:07am
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 8 2019 07:06am)
This is the capitalist ideology running the show. It will do whatever to turn a profit, even licking China's boots or building forced labor facilities in WW2. No system is perfect.


These are cases of China's state-endorsed ideology snuffing out the free exchange of ideas.

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#12 Oct 8 2019 05:09am
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These are cases of China's state-endorsed ideology snuffing out the free exchange of ideas.


Yes, capitalism doesnt care who it works with and what conditions as long as they pay.
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This is the capitalist ideology running the show. It will do whatever to turn a profit, even licking China's boots or building forced labor facilities in WW2. No system is perfect.


Having a central government authority forcing its will upon private corporations to micromanage their operations is the opposite of capitalism, and the definition of communism.
Authoritarianism is inherent to communism. Capitalism represents the natural order of an unregulated system, and at the opposite end of the spectrum we've seen the cancers that can grow in laissez faire markets as monopolies choke out competition. But communism being an unnatural structure that resists the market forces means it can only be held together by force, and force means a government authority telling you what's acceptable at the end of a rifle. And that's basically your starter for the past 100 years of human history, minus the bit about the 100,000,000 people who died in communist massacres
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 8 2019 07:09am)
Yes, capitalism doesnt care who it works with and what conditions as long as they pay.


China's philosophy (which is what is dominant in this case) is the OPPOSITE of that.

It DOES care who it works with and about the conditions. It's ENDING the business it was doing with the NBA and South Park (business that free market conditions supported).

The reason it is ending those business ventures is NOT because of the free market. It's because of the state-sponsored ideology.

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Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 8 2019 06:11am)
China's philosophy (which is what is dominant in this case) is the OPPOSITE of that.

It DOES care who it works with and about the conditions. It's ENDING the business it was doing with the NBA and South Park (business that free market conditions supported because the demand for the products was there).

The reason it is ending those business ventures is NOT because of the free market. It's because of the state-sponsored ideology.


Those companies will play ball. Well south park won't, but the others will.

The companies arent ending business with China, largely theyre bending so they can sell in China, which is how capitalism works. It will bend wherever it needs to so it can sell. This is normal and happens at every level within and between economies.

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Those companies will play ball. Well south park won't, but the others will.

The companies arent ending business with China, largely theyre bending so they can sell in China, which is how capitalism works. It will bend wherever it needs to so it can sell. This is normal and happens at every level within and between economies.


No that's really the exact opposite of how capitalism works. If government is obstructing free markets and preventing supply from reaching demand for the explicit purpose of engineering outcomes, that's the exact opposite of capitalism.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 8 2019 07:16am)
Those companies will play ball. Well south park won't, but the others will.

The companies arent ending business with China, largely theyre bending so they can sell in China, which is how capitalism works. It will bend wherever it needs to so it can sell. This is normal and happens at every level within and between economies.


The companies aren't ending business with China; China is ending business with them.

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China's behemoth national broadcaster announced it would no longer air the two NBA preseason games set to take place in China this week. CCTV said it was in response to Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey's "inappropriate Hong Kong-related remarks."


Granted, things haven't progressed to the full-fledged state of abolishing the NBA's presence in China. These are merely steps in that direction. It is in indicator that political ideology is becoming the driving force for economic decisions. That is the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is the idea that every participant in the economy does that is in their economic best interest.

CCTV had a deal in place for broadcasting those two games (a deal that was profitable for them). Cancelling that deal is an economic sacrifice for them. They are making a decision that is not in their best financial interest. AKA the opposite of capitalism.

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No that's really the exact opposite of how capitalism works. If government is obstructing free markets and preventing supply from reaching demand for the explicit purpose of engineering outcomes, that's the exact opposite of capitalism.


I'm not saying China is capitalist, I'm saying companies will bend wherever necessary to make money, and similar bending happens any time a new market is entered both on the micro (yourself selling labor at a job) and macro (walmart entering a new country) level. Theres many fortunes still around that were started selling morally anhorrent services to and in WWII Germany after all.

Ultimately there isnt really an interesting story in "company changes content for larger market appeal".
Kayeto
#19 Oct 8 2019 05:32am
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 8 2019 07:28am)
I'm not saying China is capitalist, I'm saying companies will bend wherever necessary to make money, and similar bending happens any time a new market is entered both on the micro (yourself selling labor at a job) and macro (walmart entering a new country) level. Theres many fortunes still around that were started selling morally anhorrent services to and in WWII Germany after all.

Ultimately there isnt really an interesting story in "company changes content for larger market appeal".


You might have a point if it were not for the fact that these changes are happening against a backdrop of China, who has been engaged in a process of bending economics and politics to suit its needs. China bending the rest of the world to its will is a story.

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You might have a point if it were not for the fact that these changes are happening against a backdrop of China, who has been engaged in a process of bending economics and politics to suit its needs. China bending the rest of the world to its will is a story.


Everyone is a willing participant in exchange for cheaper goods.
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