Pelosi had only one sensible option to navigate between the frying pan and the fire, and that was to very loudly make it appear she's pursuing impeachment while not actually pursuing impeachment.
And that's consistent with what we're seeing today. I'd say odds are that 8 months from now, we still won't have a vote in the house.

The idea that this Trump Ukraine thing is equivalent to what Biden did is absurd in the extreme... it's a completely different situation. And Trump's behavior is an abuse of office worthy of impeachment even if he didn't explicitly suggest(or hinted) at a quid pro quo.

Seriously, are you not understanding what the scandal is? Cause even for your spin, this seems off.



What, there's a cadre of Trump supporters who were going to stay home, but seeing Trump's corruption displayed on national television is going to motivate them to turn out? Are people on the fence going to be inspired by the corruption? I don't get it. Trump's base doesn't need motivating, but the Democrats do.

There's a contingent of Republicans who get giant boners for "THE LIBERALS ARE PERSECUTING US!". They are just ignoring that those people tend to always feel persecuted and therefore always turn out to vote.

you're better off asking the ghost of Ike Turner for relationship advice when it comes to hoping for something like this

Distraction from Epstein.

Seriously tho, this is a bad idea.

Especially with Trump releasing the transcript... tomorrow.


/e Almost as if he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves with.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 24 2019 04:19pm

The thing is, the current Democratic House majority hinges on a lot of centrist freshmen from red-leaning suburban districts. The Abigail Spanbergers of the world are what won the Dems the House, not the AOCs. And these pivotal centrist Dems from swing districts will have a really hard time voting for impeachment without shredding their reelection prospects unless there is waterproof evidence for impeachment-worthy misconduct by Trump.

An impeachment vote in the House would be yet another wedge issue straining the Democratic House caucus, the risk for their vote to fail would be huge imho. So yeah, since Pelosi is savvy, she knows this as well and will try her best to weasel out of holding an actual vote.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 24 2019 04:21pm

Yeah its a totally different situation where Hillary colluded with Ukraine to get dirt on the alleged financial misconduct of team Trump, where Biden explicitly threatened to withhold foreign aid packages from Ukraine allegedly to protect his son from investigations into financial misconduct, and now democrats allege that Trump threatened to withhold foreign aid packages from Ukraine to get dirt on the alleged financial misconduct of his son.

"Completely different situation"
Biden is already on video bragging about coercing Ukraine with foreign aid held hostage and democrats are struggling to make the accusation that Trump did that, without any evidence apparently.




Vulnerable moderate democrats in red states, ie the seats that gave democrats the house in 2018, absolutely do not want or need an impeachment vote. Even without being forced into a vote (either up OR down would be political suicide), just the fact impeachment hearings will eat up news cycles will damage them immensely. Democrats won in 2018 by making their messaging about healthcare, not donald trump.

So Hillary and Biden are now the same person? You said 2020 nominee. And there's no evidence Hillary colluded with Ukraine to get dirt.

The evidence shows that Biden wasn't threatening to withhold aid in order to protect his son. You're just making shit up.

But again, the quid pro quo is not the main issue.

Oh look another chapter of slinging shit at the wall hoping it sticks.

Not surprised the same people that were gullible enough to buy into Russiagate for years out of confirmation bias are frothing with excitement about this.