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i'd correct that to the NYT/WaPo broke almost all of the info in the Mueller report before it was released, and also a shitload more of scoops that turned out to be false, that they had already redacted before the Mueller report was released, because it took for fucking ever lol.

if the report came out a bit quicker i think they would have had a lot more unredacted misses.

Not sure what you're trying to say here.

Also, Buzzfeed had plenty of original reporting on Russiagate(they focused on the Trump Tower deal, also Michael Cohen), and I remember NBC being in the mix. It wasn't just NYT/WaPo. Plenty of great journalists out there for anyone who cares about the truth.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 15 2020 05:53pm

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Jul 15 2020 07:07pm

Quote (thundercock @ Jul 14 2020 06:52pm)

The NYT, WSJ, and BBC have the highest journalistic standards IMO. I can't speak for WaPo because I don't read them but they are probably on the same level as those 3. Again, this has NOTHING to do with editorials. Will those 3 make mistakes? Absolutely. However, they are orders of magnitude better than the rest of the shit you find on the internet.

So going back to the statement, who does a better job than the NYT? I could buy the argument that an outlet like Bloomberg might have better investigative journalism regarding the financial sector, but overall, the NYT would be difficult to beat.

The WSJ used to be great, I haven't read it in some time, so I can't comment on where it's at now.

What is strange with the NYT is that it's the news that has moved the furthest left. The Op-Eds have been all over the place, mostly leaning left, but with the occasional centrist or moderate Republican viewpoint thrown in. It's fine if you just want to know what's going on, but you can get that from almost anywhere. When the NYT is editing article titles because it isn't blue approved, it's on its last legs as an independent center of news.

How do you rate investigative journalism? I imagine we need to add good pieces while simultaneously subtracting the bad ones. The Russiagate coverage was pretty bad. What have you been impressed with?

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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 15 2020 06:48pm)

im saying that the thought of NYT and WaPo being correct is subject to confirmation bias, because they reported plenty of scoops that didnt come through in the report along with also basically publishing the report before it was even released.

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Jul 16 2020 06:39am

Quote (IceMage @ 16 Jul 2020 01:48)

The problem has never been the lack of good journalists - the problem is that the large majority of great journalists happen to lean left. (Or perhaps it's that those good journalists who lean left are hired to the big, reputable outlets at higher rates than right leaning journalists...)

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