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Goomshill
#5211 Jul 14 2020 01:31pm
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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 14 2020 02:26pm)
The Times is the best journalistic outlet in the country, so I'll support it whether or not they pander to woke subscribers and employees.


Donald Trump is the best politician in the country and I'll support him whether or not he bites the head off a toddler at one of his rallies
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#5212 Jul 14 2020 01:47pm
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Quote (thundercock @ Jul 14 2020 03:31pm)
I think one thing that people really struggle with is the editorial section vs. the actual news. The NY Times has some of the best journalists in the world. I almost never read the editorial sections of newspapers.


Agreed. I have certain opinion writers at the Times I like to read, but the reason I pay is for the actual journalism.

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Donald Trump is the best politician in the country and I'll support him whether or not he bites the head off a toddler at one of his rallies


I just don't care. The right nitpicks outlets like The Times and CNN while we have an insane president and the most popular primetime news host saying masks and social distancing don't work in a pandemic. It's majoring in the minors.
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#5213 Jul 14 2020 02:07pm
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Quote (thundercock @ 14 Jul 2020 13:57)
That's a bummer. I've seen her on Bill Maher a lot and I have to imagine she'll be one of the first guests booked when he comes back after the summer break. He hates this sort of shit.

rightly so. maher is a smug holier-than-thou character but he is fairly in tune with the ins and outs of society as a whole
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#5214 Jul 14 2020 04:36pm
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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 14 2020 03:26pm)
The Times is the best journalistic outlet in the country, so I'll support it whether or not they pander to woke subscribers and employees.


I struggle to believe that this isn't satire.

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 14 2020 03:47pm)

I just don't care. The right nitpicks outlets like The Times and CNN while we have an insane president and the most popular primetime news host saying masks and social distancing don't work in a pandemic. It's majoring in the minors.


Whether or not Fox News is "Fair and Balanced" has nothing to do with the product the NYT and CNN put out. You've traded one set of masters for another.
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#5215 Jul 14 2020 04:52pm
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Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 14 2020 03:36pm)
I struggle to believe that this isn't satire.



Whether or not Fox News is "Fair and Balanced" has nothing to do with the product the NYT and CNN put out. You've traded one set of masters for another.


The NYT, WSJ, and BBC have the highest journalistic standards IMO. I can't speak for WaPo because I don't read them but they are probably on the same level as those 3. Again, this has NOTHING to do with editorials. Will those 3 make mistakes? Absolutely. However, they are orders of magnitude better than the rest of the shit you find on the internet.

So going back to the statement, who does a better job than the NYT? I could buy the argument that an outlet like Bloomberg might have better investigative journalism regarding the financial sector, but overall, the NYT would be difficult to beat.
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#5216 Jul 14 2020 05:08pm
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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 14 2020 07:26am)
https://i.imgur.com/922j84y.jpg


With poll numbers dropping and in the midst of a pandemic that has killed 138,000 Americans... the Trump administration puts out a meme attacking one of their top health experts....?



https://media1.giphy.com/media/nKFXQkxLRiEhy/giphy.gif


In looking at the actual post on Facebook, it seems that Trump supporters overwhelmingly agree with the comic.

I just...don't understand Trump supporters. In no other country is the virus a topic of debate, or masks, or people going off that they're oppressed for having to wear a mask in Costco. American exceptionalism is a complete joke.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ 15 Jul 2020 01:08)
In looking at the actual post on Facebook, it seems that Trump supporters overwhelmingly agree with the comic.

I just...don't understand Trump supporters. In no other country is the virus a topic of debate, or masks, or people going off that they're oppressed for having to wear a mask in Costco. American exceptionalism is a complete joke.


That's just completely wrong. There were large protests across Europe at the end of our respective lockdown periods, sometimes exceeding ten thousand protesters in one place.
And there is an ongoing debate about masks, albeit in the context of vastly lower daily case numbers.



Regarding the debate about high quality newspapers: I would say that Politico has really high quality in-depth coverage on what happens in Washington and the political sphere, and their news reporting generally follows a high objectivity standard.

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#5218 Jul 14 2020 05:31pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 14 2020 04:30pm)
That's just completely wrong. There were large protests across Europe at the end of our respective lockdown periods, sometimes exceeding ten thousand protesters in one place.
And there is an ongoing debate about masks, albeit in the context of vastly lower daily case numbers.



Regarding the debate about high quality newspapers: I would say that Politico has really high quality in-depth coverage on what happens in Washington and the political sphere, and their reporting generally follows a high objectivity standard.


It seemingly is not comparable to the experience here in the US though.

Are heads of state completely undermining the country's top infectious disease specialist?

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Jul 14 2020 05:32pm
Black XistenZ
#5219 Jul 14 2020 05:37pm
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It seemingly is not comparable to the experience here in the US though.


Yes, for example, the debate about whether masks are having an effect at all is very fringe here in Europe. When we discuss about mask requirements, it's about the question whether we really need masks because our case numbers have gotten so damn low.

Still, it must be noted that the patience of non-negligible segments of our population was running low toward the end of our lockdowns. These protests quickly died down as the European countries, one by one, reopened and lifted the more draconian restrictions. The situation is nonetheless more combustible than it seems. For example, 2 or 3 days ago, the president of Serbia ordered another shutdown amid surging case numbers. Violent protests against this decision broke out immediately; during the first night, armed and violent protesters tried to storm the Serbian parliament and almost got inside. The police was just barely able to push them back. The next day, the president softened the approach and issued toughened social distancing guidelines instead of a new shutdown...


edit: no, as far as I can tell, governments and public health experts are pulling together across Europe.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 14 2020 05:40pm
EndlessSky
#5220 Jul 14 2020 05:54pm
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Quote (IceMage @ Jul 14 2020 03:47pm)
I just don't care. The right nitpicks outlets like The Times and CNN while we have an insane president and the most popular primetime news host saying masks and social distancing don't work in a pandemic. It's majoring in the minors.


Gay opinion.

There is still no conclusive statistical evidence to prove the costs outweigh the benefit.

Quote (thundercock @ Jul 14 2020 06:52pm)
The NYT, WSJ, and BBC have the highest journalistic standards IMO. I can't speak for WaPo because I don't read them but they are probably on the same level as those 3. Again, this has NOTHING to do with editorials. Will those 3 make mistakes? Absolutely. However, they are orders of magnitude better than the rest of the shit you find on the internet.

So going back to the statement, who does a better job than the NYT? I could buy the argument that an outlet like Bloomberg might have better investigative journalism regarding the financial sector, but overall, the NYT would be difficult to beat.


How do you measure standards?

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Jul 14 2020 05:55pm
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