Saying you're being pragmatic while calling it murder isn't really being pragmatic

The inconsistencies are nearly endless in your positions as long as you hold tight to calling it murder

How would you lose the battle?

Trying to enforce it as murder i.e. imprisoning the women or the doctors wouldn't generate enough support and it would be destined to fail. In fact, it would generate a pretty strong backlash. So you're really asking me why I wouldn't want this backlash on my position? Do we really need to have this discussion?

There's nothing inconsistent about my position. It's easy to argue against the absolutist perspective, the "all fags are going to hell" sign-wielding conservative. That's not me. In this age, those guys don't score political wins, pragmatists do. I mean I get why you keep trying to pigeonhole me into the absolutist position here, might work with some but not me friend.

I'm not pigeonholing you into anything. I'm just utilizing the legal and practical application of "murder" in reality.

Some of the bills passing state legislature recently do seek to punish those who have gone out and received an abortion with imprisonment. How do you feel about that part of these bills?

It's odd you hold tight to "murder" but when it comes to "murdering" the unborn you are incredibly lenient on enforcement but don't apply that same leniency to murderers that murdered people outside of the womb

Addressed that here:

The rights of the mother don't disappear when in conflict with the rights of the fetus.

That's not how rights work.

If you say "Your rights end where another begins" then it goes both ways. Mother's right to bodily autonomy, fetus's right to life (which doesn't even exist in the United States in the first and second trimester since it's not a person).

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 19 2019 02:16am

The rights you speak of aren't actually fully formed rights. They're just clusters of words.

This post was edited by EA7 on May 19 2019 05:21am

Pro-life nublets cares about a fetus but as soon as a child is born, it's left on its own.

Nerd guys having a debate if females should have decision over their own bodies. I respect women enough to let them have autonomy over their mind and body. Change my mind.

This post was edited by Crud1ty on May 19 2019 05:55am