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Apr 17 2019 08:55am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-housed-the-homeless-in-upscale-apartments-it-hasnt-gone-as-planned/2019/04/16/60c8ab9c-5648-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html


I know I get bashed here often for bashing the poor and saying it’s cultural and poor people will always be poor and they do it to themselves. I feel the same about education. Funding doesn’t result in higher grades. I.e. Zuckerberg’s Newark School $100 million grant anyone?

The Washington Post talks about a program designed to put the poor into a swanky Northwest DC apartment complex to assist in integrating them into the affluent community similarly to the intent of section eight housing. Well, it was a fucking disaster. Crime rose 400% in 2 years and it was basically turned into a ghetto. From the words of previously homeless tenants there, many there just took the freebie, abused it, and fucked it up for everyone else. Imagine that.

Call me an asshole if you want, but I just think pouring money and resources toward those who don’t want to help themselves is just a fucking waste. Every city has tons of money and existing programs for the poor and very few make a meaningful difference.

Thoughts? Defenses? Call this “just one example of anecdotal evidence?”
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Apr 17 2019 09:00am
funding doesn't result in higher grades? like how i lift weights and don't turn into Arnold overnight? or? funding of schools over decades has increased standardized testing both on the whole, and closed the gap that using only property taxes created over many other decades. bit of correlation vs causation, but pre internet less so.

also no one smart ever said give the poor anything and expect it to stay pristine. projects, homeless collectives, public housing, etc has always proven to be a failure. no one takes care of something they dont own and/or didn't build, the same can be said for any apartment complex, but they have security deposits and they charge rent so someone moves out and the repairs are pre-paid.

better projects are always fund to build models. community gardens, etc. this hasn't been done on a home scale, given building codes it likely can't be. but if people who live there were involved in building and/or had a way to gain ownership in a rent to buy program you might see a marked change in how they care for the home.

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Apr 17 2019 09:21am
Quote (AspenSniper @ Apr 17 2019 10:55am)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-housed-the-homeless-in-upscale-apartments-it-hasnt-gone-as-planned/2019/04/16/60c8ab9c-5648-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html


I know I get bashed here often for bashing the poor and saying it’s cultural and poor people will always be poor and they do it to themselves. I feel the same about education. Funding doesn’t result in higher grades. I.e. Zuckerberg’s Newark School $100 million grant anyone?

The Washington Post talks about a program designed to put the poor into a swanky Northwest DC apartment complex to assist in integrating them into the affluent community similarly to the intent of section eight housing. Well, it was a fucking disaster. Crime rose 400% in 2 years and it was basically turned into a ghetto. From the words of previously homeless tenants there, many there just took the freebie, abused it, and fucked it up for everyone else. Imagine that.

Call me an asshole if you want, but I just think pouring money and resources toward those who don’t want to help themselves is just a fucking waste. Every city has tons of money and existing programs for the poor and very few make a meaningful difference.

Thoughts? Defenses? Call this “just one example of anecdotal evidence?”


I also don’t support giving blanket education freebies.

Here are some radical ideas I do support.

Increase merit based financial aid to community college, work study match towards tuition, public/trade school student loan forgiveness after a decade+ of payment.
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Apr 17 2019 09:23am
Nobody on here would argue that just giving them homes would help on its own. You need to solve the problems at the source, which is typically done via therapy and medical intervention. Having a safe stable place to stay is just one part of the equation.

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Apr 17 2019 09:28am
The problems of inferior ghetto cultures are not solved by throwing money at them.
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Apr 17 2019 09:29am
I'm gonna say it
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Apr 17 2019 09:45am
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I'm gonna say it


boneless wings are just adult chicken nuggets?
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forreal though. the only long term solution is to abolish divorce, welfare, alimony, and abortion.

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Apr 17 2019 11:51am
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The problems of inferior ghetto cultures are not solved by throwing money at them.



Of course they aren’t. I just don’t think many external factors can help. It’s cultural. Classic Asian example. Poor, abused, unjustly incarcerated Japanese in the 40s, Koreans in the 50s, Vietnamese in the 70s, etc., have done quite a good job of integrating themselves into society as the focus on self-accountability is cultural to their home communities. Aside from gang related activity, Hispanic cultures follow a similar belief though it typically is around work rather than education.

Tons of white and black communities seriously fucked that up. There are white ghettos and there are black ghettos. Each often supplied with plenty of money, health care subsidies, mental health programs, education opportunities, work opportunities, etc. but they continue to be abused and it makes no change because their own community cultures don’t support the idea of “getting out” and improving each other. This Washington Post article is just another example.
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Apr 17 2019 11:51am
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The Washington Post talks about a program designed to put the poor into a swanky Northwest DC apartment complex to assist in integrating them into the affluent community similarly to the intent of section eight housing. Well, it was a fucking disaster. Crime rose 400% in 2 years and it was basically turned into a ghetto.


Omg I'm so surprised this happened :o
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