Hm, I just dont think that a stronger focus on unions and suburban workers than the urban poor makes it a black vs white thing, just because the urban poor happen to have a higher share of nonwhites than the suburbs.

Imho, Bernie genuinely is all about the economic side of things and doesnt want to be part of the culture wars or discussions surrounding "wokeness".


His focus are economic issues, not identity politics. The key aspect of all of this is that nonwhites are overrepresented among the poor, so Bernie's pro-poor and pro-working-class policies would automatically disproportionately help minorities - but in a non-toxic way, without basically telling the white working class that "their problems are now of lower importance" like Hillary did and most of his primary opponents still do.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 20 2019 05:43pm

I didn't say it was white vs. black. Identity politics aren't contrarian. That is the thing about Rights, they can be given to people without taking them from someone else. He is from Vermont and has been working on problems facing the state of Vermont as Senator and Burlington as Mayor. Check the demographics in those areas. This is why he struggled against the Clintons who have a long record of helping People of Color....like decades...Bill is in black barbershops by MLK, Kennedy, Barack, and Malcolm. Under Clinton the least amount of Americans were on welfare in recent memory. Things were really good under his leadership.

He would be the best president out of the bunch but I doubt an old atheistic Jewish socialist is going to win the American Electoral College lol. That isn't conspiracy theory, he just doesn't describe the electorate. About the wokeness thing, he never had to deal with those issues in his capacity as Senator of Vermont and Mayor of Burlington. He just has no experience there.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 20 2019 06:12pm

Rights can be given to people without taking rights from someone else, true. But all too often, giving new rights to one group of people necessarily implies taking money away from someone else. Conditional of a given budget, the distribution of this budget is a zero sum game.

In my view, identity politics are contrarian, are toxic, are pitting groups of people against one another. Just look at how often leftist identity politics talk about "white privilege" or "toxic masculinity". Just look at how often right-wing identity politics talk about "super predators", "welfare queens", "they're murderers and rapists" etc.




Agreed, but my point still stands: wokeness issues are not Bernie's focus. Not out of a lack of experience, but because he genuinely prioritizes economic issues.

You can have your views but I did not mean it negatively nor do I feel it is necessarily negative.

The GOP is the party of white identity politics and you are goose stepping to the beat of their drum so I actually question the credibility of your disdain for identity politics.

perfect i needed someone else to tell me how to think about this all

why think when yang is offering $12k a year

thankfully my phone was muted when i clicked this

reported, btw