War Axe = 0 speed, 2 rangeadder

Cudgel = -10 speed, 0 rangeadder

IAS calc I use:

https://diablo3.%2A%2A%2A/diablo-2/calculatoren/angriffsgeschwindigkeit/?lang=en

Results:

War Axe w/ 20ias, 30 ias from Sigons: 11 FPA
War Axe w/ 20ias, 50 ias from Sigons/twitch: 11 FPA

Cudgel w/ 20ias, 30 ias from Sigons: 11 FPA
Cudgel w/ 20ias, 50 ias from Sigons/twitch: 10 FPA

My personal opinion is that a death's setup is NEVER worth it for an 18 conc, because sigons gives such a nice bonus. However if you have to wear twitch you lose 440 def or so immediately to not wearing an ancient armor. So you could try a deaths set, with twitch, with maybe cow kings. and get yourself down to near zero stat investment, ALL vita. Likely with something like a rare boneshield. 20 FHR on twitch might also open up some possibilities for a higher FHR bp.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 10 2019 07:19am

so you can see the difference between the two (this would apply to all base 0 and base -10 weapons on barbs using concentrate)

essentially, what it means is with the same investment on a cookie cutter 18 conc (which is 30 ias only from sigons) you are 1 fpa faster using the cudgel, but cannot use twitch to hit the next attack breakpoint.

with a waraxe build you are capable of sacrificing the ancient to get to the same fpa as a cudgel by using twitch

/e: @snipa your link wont work on jsp. cuz reasons no one has been able to explain.

This post was edited by meegz1 on Apr 10 2019 02:07pm

YEAH wtf is up with that link? wierd...

both squad's weps have 20ias which is a nice bonus to play around with! could also achieve the same FPA as a robo war axe & sigons with a 20 ias base cudgel and bfists.

in that case sac the sigons gloves for bfists & 24fhr/5str/life belt (48 fhr bp) on the cudgel setup. waraxe setup would stay the same, except at same fpa as the cudgel w/ bfists. thats personally how i'd go after it.

with that cudgel setup its a loss of 36 defense from the 2set sigon belt bonus (which can be slightly negated by %def on belt...not much, but some) but all the hp from a rare belt over 20 is extra life. and more potential HP depending on the reqs on your AA. i dont think 20 AR is a big deal on conc barbs at 18, but i dont know how much they're usually sitting at.

thanks guys for help so basicaly with that cudgel i could go with bloodfist and rare belt with same speed ias bp as sigons with war axe ?

YUP! that's the gist of it!

you can get 11 fpa w/ cudgel-20ias + 10 ias on bfists

and if you use sigons it's still 11 fpa, but if u add twitch u can hit 10 fpa. might be worth it to test out the low def high life build.